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explore the bazaars or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranormal

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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night now your electrifying hosts of

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exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

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Tim can we slow down a bit this high

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altitude is really getting to me we've

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we've been climbing for over in an hour

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and we haven't even seen the abominable

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snowman Tim don't be silly we're not

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hunting the Yeti this is the Himalayas

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it's not a limpet now we're in search of

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the ancient gods of antiquity in

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particular the beautiful temptress mercy

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who is known to cloud men's minds not

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the abominable snowman oh well I I guess

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I guess he can cloud a few minds huh

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mine in particular gee I understand

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she's a very proficient at performing

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occult rituals and ceremonial magic to

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lure humans into her her her web of

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desire well if you want to find out

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let's keep on climbing in the meantime

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we have to cross over into the high

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borderland with another guest from a far

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away land guaranteed it's going to be a

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really exciting show him II that pickaxe

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Tim so we can scale this mountain wall a

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bit faster come on come on keep up

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already granola bar for you good

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there there bad on my teeth

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and a st. Bernard how about a st.

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Bernard with some brandy now I can go

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for that Himalayas remember that were

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we're in Mount Olympus although I would

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imagine at a pretty high altitude there

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that they it gets a little bit chilly

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especially at night but then we always

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have a Paolo in Neptune and I was going

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to say seriously to keep us warm but

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that may be politically incorrect these

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these days right yeah

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so it would be a Saint Bernard with

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booze oh yeah sounds good to me yeah so

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anyway how you been out there in Jasper

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Indiana is you that really good yeah yep

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well what did you go to say one of these

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days you're gonna say something like

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allows me like life sucks here in the

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well except down here in southern

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it's a little more hilly and you know

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you don't get as much corn not not like

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where I grew up in the central part of

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the state where I mean you know you

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could you could see all the way over

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into Illinois there is that flat now can

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you see all the way over to Tasmania

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yeah that's right we can see Tasmania

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the roof and look towards Alaska I know

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that yeah yeah yeah yeah we'll see you

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and then down through Asia and finally

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you know Australia and Tasmania you need

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binocular Ben oculars at that point well

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let's find out what's going on over

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because we have a very interesting guest

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as evening from halfway around the world

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that's right that's right and I'm just

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really happy that we were able to get

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Louie to to come on the show with us

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tonight even though it's around it's now

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about nine minutes after two o'clock in

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the afternoon for him but let me

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introduce him we have a leap route now

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Louie is a writer

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searchers specializing in anomalous or

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40 and phenomena some of his earliest

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and fondest memories are watching his

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father conduct backyard science

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experiments involving Tesla coils and

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other electrical contraptions and we you

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know that we love Tesla and his coils

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around here so now these articles have

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appeared in 14 times new dawn fate and

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Nexus magazines and he's been

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interviewed on such programs as what is

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that is it a fairness radio paranormal

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realm and what's fever's dreamland now

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proud is the author of dark intrusions

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the secret influence of the moon and

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strange electromagnetic dimensions which

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by the way elevate that's an excellent

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book and his most recent book is

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borderland phenomena vol 1 and he

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currently received resides like I said

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in Tasmania so Louie thank you for a

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much for being with us tonight on

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exploring the bizarre well thanks for

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having me on the show it's good to be

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here

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well you know I I have a question right

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off the bat here you you say that you're

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a student of 14 phenomena and I guess we

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all are to some degree yeah I'm sure we

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all influenced by the writings of

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Charles fort but you use the term

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borderland would that be synonymous with

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14 or how would you split the two terms

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apart all right well I mean in this case

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that the reason I use that term is is

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because I I'm off the opinion that

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paranormal phenomena lie on the border

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or edge of this reality you know sort of

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being neither here nor there but

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somewhere in between and that they

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occupy a sort of liminal realm which is

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a of course come comes from the Latin

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Limon meaning threshold so that's the

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the reason I use that very specific term

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and I also subscribe to the theory too

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that we occupy or reside in a multiverse

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that there are other universes out there

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and that perhaps when we catch glimpses

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of things like UFOs and ghosts and that

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sort of thing we're actually witnessing

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things that have sort of kind of leading

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through from some other world or

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dimension I'm not too sure how that

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necessarily ties into sort of 14

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phenomena but certainly that's one way

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no means a new theory but I think

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there's more and more evidence to

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support it you know thanks to advances

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in science and and all the research

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that's being done into you know other

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universes and that sort of thing but

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student of you know the four ten I

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suppose and and I certainly admire you

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know forts writings and and also John

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keel as well you know in more

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contemporary 14 so yeah

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that category you mentioned UFOs Apollo

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guys would that be part of it

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classified as paranormal sort of more or

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as there's all existing under that sort

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of heading of of you know I suppose yeah

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that or rather having having that sort

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of liminal quality I think that's really

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out-of-body experiences and so on but

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consciousness that liminal state that

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few psychic experiences that were kind

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of in that the state just before you you

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of a particular evening or an event

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abductions that take place during this

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sleep paralysis period and they're not

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cover this in quite some detail in my

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book dark intrusions but but certainly

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psychic attack I suppose I I kept having

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these very sort of violent sleep

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paralysis episodes where you know there

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an evil presence that was doing all

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point and also I was hearing these

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strange voices as well and also that the

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it back and forth and you actually did

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some visual experiences there was a time

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there was a incident there where I saw a

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sort of a strange kind of creature sort

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of looked like a kind of a troll or

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something of that nature um so but but

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interpret these experiences as meny

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maybe you know sort of contact was alien

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beings or something like that and of

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course that is one explanation to

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explain alien abduction people say oh

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it's really just sleep paralysis it's

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all hallucinations but I'm of the

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opinion that that may be okay some of

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these things do just originate from you

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know the imagination but we could be

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dealing with real phenomena as well real

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you know an actual perception of certain

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things that exist out there that we

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can't normally see you know during the

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normal waking state so so that's that's

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there's certainly one explanation as

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well but yeah it's it's a mystery of

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human combustion you know I I think I

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the covers torn off pages are falling

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out was called mysterious fires and

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lights by Vincent Gatos

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and Vincent actually was a newspaper

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reporter here in Indiana excellent

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excellent excellent book I don't know

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whether that's in print or not actually

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the borderland Sciences Research

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Association he lived I believe in a in

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the back of their main headquarters

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there in California

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and they might have the book they might

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have the book in print and it's it's

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certainly a very worthwhile read if

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there is anything on the subject and

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also to the fellow in Pennsylvania

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Arnold we could use that in his first

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thing but he's written that quite a few

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things but Larry alert its Larry yes yes

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in fact he's written a huge book on the

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subject and I remember we we did a an

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excerpt on the Chicago Fire which was

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some sort of spontaneous combustion and

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wasn't you know accountable by a missile

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Larry's cowl knocking over the lantern

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and setting the barn on fire in fact

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there were many episodes of well it

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might have been started by a meteorites

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or something because it there were fires

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all over that area of the country you

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know on that night or the night after 94

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so forth but back to a spontaneous human

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combustion now I don't know if a lot of

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our audience is familiar with this

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phenomenon why don't you talk about it a

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little bit since it's it you know has

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such a predominant place in your new

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book yeah absolutely so that the first

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section of the book deals with

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spontaneous human combustion and

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basically it's a it's an unexplained

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phenomenon whereby the human body is

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almost entirely reduced to ash generally

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occurs within a period of sort of 10 to

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12 hours although it's hard to sort of

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put a timeframe on it simply because

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that individual may have you know

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perhaps they haven't been visited

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many many days that kind of thing but

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generally let's say that person was

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visited that evening and then following

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the morning

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you know that their body you know was

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found entirely reduced to ash so but

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basically it seems as though the fire

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basically originates from was in the

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body seems to be an internal process and

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the you know the fire just sort of

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completely consumes them consumes and or

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no not entirely because even though like

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the generally like the trunk of the body

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is more or less completely gone

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sometimes the head but there can be you

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know cases where there's saved just like

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one limb remaining that kind of thing

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like a like a you know an arm or a leg

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or something like that but the really

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really weird thing is that you know it's

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very very difficult to reduce a human

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body to ash that's really the mystery

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because the human bodies around you know

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65% water and you know to do that in

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like a modern crematorium where they use

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you know oil gas other fuels they first

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of all it requires a very high

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temperature like it's somewhere around a

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thousand degrees Celsius in order to

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vaporize and oxidize the human body they

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also use like a you know forced air as

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well - you know oxygen oxygenate the the

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fire of course takes around sort of 90

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minutes to two hours but even then the

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there are actually bones remaining

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fragments of bone that then need to be

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pulverized using a machine called a

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cremulator but in spontaneous human

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combustion in a lot of cases the bones

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are completely reduced to ash so that's

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really the very mysterious thing is how

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this process achieved and you know from

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where does the energy originate to you

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know to produce something like

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spontaneous human combustion I know that

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there's there's been cases where most of

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the incidents have happened when a

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person is by themselves but there's

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there's been a couple of cases that that

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I've researched where

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somebody will just burst into flames

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right in front of their their family

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members and the find the fire is is

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extremely hot and seems to resist

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conventional means of being put out you

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know people like throwing water on them

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and it just seemed to fan the flames and

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there was one case I think this took

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place maybe in the 1980s where there was

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a homeless fellow in I think was London

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where the fire brigade found him in a in

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an area he was still alive but there was

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a slit in his stomach and a flame was

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coming out of it that the firemen said

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it was like a blowtorch like a blue

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blowtorch and it and exactly it was it

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was making a rolling noise as you know I

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mean out too much Indian food for you

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too but you know what do you think is

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the root cause and I realizes this you

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know speculation you know of course on

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all of our all of our parts but to have

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this fire which really does seem to come

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from inside and to resist conventional

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means of extinguishing it you know

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there's there has to be something a lot

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more unusual than somebody just falling

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asleep on an overstuffed easy chair

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while smoking a cigarette yeah

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absolutely I mean that there's a whole

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range of different theories that have

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attempted to explain spontaneous human

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combustion

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I suppose we should do is the you know

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the sort of Orthodox scientific

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explanation which is that it's called

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the wick effect you've probably heard of

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it it's where the human body's likened

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to a sort of candle only inside out was

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the clothing representing the wick and

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the fat of the body the fuel or wax and

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so this theory maintains that you know

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that there's always an external

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source of ignition that you know the

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person say catches their clothes on fire

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and of course generally it's like an old

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early person let's say they're they're

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quite invalid they find it hard to get

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around and that sort of thing

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so their clothes catch on fire it starts

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to melt the fat and then that's sort of

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drawn into the clothes in the manner of

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a wick and they just sort of continue to

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burn and they have done experiments on

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pig carcasses where they sort of you

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know wrapped a pig carcass in a blanket

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and set it on fire they always used in

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these experiments as some sort of

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accelerant like a petrol or something

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like that but the the experiments have

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been very well very disappointing in the

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sense that the amount of burning that

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was observed was was certainly nothing

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as Extreme as what you see in in you

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know shc so yeah certainly that that

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theory you know fall short in many

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respects but I I subscribe to the theory

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and this is a theory that you mentioned

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Vincent Gatos before in his and he wrote

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that remarkable book mysterious fires

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and lights and and basically he came up

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with the idea that that shc is a form of

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subconscious suicide he actually likened

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it to poltergeists tree hmm so you know

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as we see in in poltergeist cases

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there's a there's an individual around

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whom the activity occurs of the agent or

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focus and and these people are generally

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adolescents they they may be you know

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sort of sexually repressed or certainly

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very emotional frustrated individuals

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and that they cause this activity to

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occur you know using their subconscious

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mind it's a way to sort of let out all

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that pent up you know frustration and

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anger and so on so they're basically

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externalizing this energy if you like

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and so Vincent Gatos posited that in the

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case of spontaneous human combustion

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it's a form of subconscious suicide and

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it's actually you know a case where the

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Energy's being internalized and that

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these people are essentially committing

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suicide

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he also did talk to her about the you

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know the electrochemical nature of the

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human body as well so his theory is that

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there's a sort of psychic trigger or

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mental trigger in spontaneous human

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combustion and that the energy that's

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involved is actually the the body's

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electrical energy because you know the

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human body is essentially like an

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electrochemical machine you know all the

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activity that occurs in our body all our

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thoughts and so on are characterized by

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electrical activity you know nerve

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impulses and so on so maybe what's

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happening is there's a psychic trigger

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whereby essentially there's sort of a

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malfunction I suppose or a failure was

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in the body's electrical system which is

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you know triggered by negative suicidal

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thoughts and then that causes

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spontaneous human combustion so I think

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that's really the most fascinating way

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of looking at it I think that's like the

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strongest theory for spontaneous human

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combustion we do find to a lot of the

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victims are they're elderly people

489
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they're they're quite depressed and

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lonely anyway in that famous case of

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Mary risa

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Mary Hardy Risa back in was 1951 she was

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she was certainly very depressed in the

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weeks leading up to her death and

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certainly that evening before she died

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all right so anyway I'm gonna have I'm

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gonna have to interrupt you here because

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we have to go to our hard bottom the

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now back to exploring the bazaars with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becky

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link and Taylor Swift's all right

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welcome back to exploring the bazaar I'm

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Tim Schwarz and tonight we're talking

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with Lois proud now lily and you were

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talking about the the case of Mary

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Reiser which I think for a long time she

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was kind of the poster child for

509
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spontaneous human combustion why don't

510
00:25:00,430 --> 00:24:56,899
you go ahead and finish your story about

511
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what happened with her yes certainly so

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it is certainly you know one of the most

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famous and fascinating cases of shc so

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mrs. Risa was a 67 year old widow of a

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doctor

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she lived in Columbia Pennsylvania

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before moving to some Petersburg in

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Florida she wanted to be closer to her

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son and his family she despised the the

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heat and humidity in in Florida she

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really wanted to be back home

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so she'd been living in an apartment

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there instant Petersburg for about five

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weeks went on the night of the first or

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the second of July so not July sorry in

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1951 when she died basically pretty much

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her entire body was was reduced to ash

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she weighed about 170 pounds there was

529
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she was of course seated on a chair at

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the time that the chair too was reduced

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to ash apart from the springs and and

532
00:26:05,099 --> 00:26:03,320
other metal parts of the the chair but

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00:26:08,499 --> 00:26:05,109
basically all that remained was

534
00:26:10,269 --> 00:26:08,509
supposedly shrunken skull there was also

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00:26:12,609 --> 00:26:10,279
part of her left foot it was actually

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00:26:15,479 --> 00:26:12,619
still clad in its slipper and there's

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00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:15,489
that famous photograph of course of the

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basically the sort of the foot just

539
00:26:21,549 --> 00:26:19,700
sitting there was the slipper still on

540
00:26:24,580 --> 00:26:21,559
which is one of the most famous you know

541
00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:24,590
photographs of shc and there's also like

542
00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:27,830
a chunk of backbone remaining as well so

543
00:26:31,870 --> 00:26:28,700
is a very very

544
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:31,880
range very dramatic incident of SHC the

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00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:33,770
other thing too is that they you know

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00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:36,530
because you know police and firefighters

547
00:26:42,190 --> 00:26:37,940
were involved they went in they

548
00:26:44,290 --> 00:26:42,200
documented everything and there's very

549
00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:44,300
little damage to the actual apartment

550
00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:46,790
itself you know there were a few things

551
00:26:51,670 --> 00:26:48,830
like obviously the you know the walls

552
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:51,680
were coated in in in in soot and and

553
00:26:57,460 --> 00:26:53,810
that kind of thing there was you know

554
00:26:59,470 --> 00:26:57,470
there was you know some obvious signs of

555
00:27:01,920 --> 00:26:59,480
there having been a fire obviously but

556
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:01,930
but it was very localized kind of fire

557
00:27:08,110 --> 00:27:05,090
which is another characteristic of shc

558
00:27:10,420 --> 00:27:08,120
which is very strange so you know there

559
00:27:14,260 --> 00:27:10,430
was there was smoke blackening and soot

560
00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:14,270
and so on all of that occurred just from

561
00:27:20,110 --> 00:27:18,380
about four feet above the ground and you

562
00:27:22,180 --> 00:27:20,120
know everything below that that height

563
00:27:23,950 --> 00:27:22,190
was more or less unaffected apartment of

564
00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:23,960
course from from mrs. Reeser in a chair

565
00:27:29,860 --> 00:27:27,710
but yeah it was a very strange case and

566
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:29,870
the thing is too I was talking about her

567
00:27:34,210 --> 00:27:32,510
mental state the night before she died

568
00:27:36,970 --> 00:27:34,220
she was very upset because she'd been

569
00:27:39,610 --> 00:27:36,980
trying to go back to Colombia she wanted

570
00:27:43,210 --> 00:27:39,620
to rent an apartment over there she

571
00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:43,220
hadn't had any success and and so on and

572
00:27:49,030 --> 00:27:45,740
the last two people to see her alive was

573
00:27:52,030 --> 00:27:49,040
her landlady a lady named pansy

574
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:52,040
carpenter and her son Richard jr. he was

575
00:27:58,720 --> 00:27:55,760
also a doctor and mrs. carpenter said

576
00:28:01,090 --> 00:27:58,730
that she was awoken early on the morning

577
00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:01,100
of the 2nd of July by a sort of dull

578
00:28:07,900 --> 00:28:04,460
thud and a muffled report and that she

579
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:07,910
you know she smelt smoke as well

580
00:28:12,970 --> 00:28:10,970
and then it was later that morning that

581
00:28:16,090 --> 00:28:12,980
she that a telegram arrived from mrs.

582
00:28:19,390 --> 00:28:16,100
Reeser and she went to deliver it to her

583
00:28:21,010 --> 00:28:19,400
and she touched the screen door and it

584
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:21,020
was actually hot to the touch and then

585
00:28:24,490 --> 00:28:23,120
she smelled smoke and she noticed that

586
00:28:27,190 --> 00:28:24,500
there was stood on the walls of the

587
00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:27,200
hallway and so on and that's when the

588
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:29,150
you know the police and firefighters

589
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:32,480
were called in to investigate it the

590
00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:34,640
police report they they concluded that

591
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:36,470
she because she was a smoker that she

592
00:28:41,860 --> 00:28:39,170
and she did take mild sedatives as well

593
00:28:42,930 --> 00:28:41,870
she had taken a couple that evening

594
00:28:44,820 --> 00:28:42,940
certainly not

595
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:44,830
to completely sort of knock her out but

596
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:46,930
anyway they said that she had been

597
00:28:51,300 --> 00:28:49,600
smoking she'd fallen asleep she dropped

598
00:28:54,270 --> 00:28:51,310
a cigarette and then it would it had

599
00:28:57,180 --> 00:28:54,280
caught fire to a chair and then you know

600
00:29:00,210 --> 00:28:57,190
the flames that had built up and you

601
00:29:01,950 --> 00:29:00,220
know she'd been burned that way which is

602
00:29:04,140 --> 00:29:01,960
sort of a feeble kind of explanation

603
00:29:06,060 --> 00:29:04,150
because it is very very difficult to set

604
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:06,070
fire to a chair certainly just was a

605
00:29:11,730 --> 00:29:09,370
drop cigarette alone and as I said all

606
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:11,740
those weird characteristics was the fire

607
00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:14,170
being very localized and the amount of

608
00:29:20,610 --> 00:29:17,230
burning that occurred - and there was a

609
00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:20,620
there was a anthropologist Wilton

610
00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:23,740
Krogman was his name so he was an expert

611
00:29:30,930 --> 00:29:27,630
on you know death by fire and he

612
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:30,940
happened to be vacationing in also near

613
00:29:36,330 --> 00:29:33,610
San Petersburg at the time that this was

614
00:29:38,460 --> 00:29:36,340
happening and he was called in to sort

615
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:38,470
of offer his expertise and opinion on

616
00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:41,530
the case and he was completely baffled

617
00:29:46,020 --> 00:29:43,510
by it as well and he certainly did not

618
00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:46,030
buy the theory that that you know that

619
00:29:50,850 --> 00:29:47,920
she was just due to a drop cigarette he

620
00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:50,860
said that the amount of heat required to

621
00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:53,080
you know completely consumed the bones

622
00:29:57,780 --> 00:29:55,720
has happened in the research case he

623
00:30:00,090 --> 00:29:57,790
said it would have to be around you know

624
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:00,100
3,000 degrees Fahrenheit which is you

625
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:04,330
know 1650 degrees Celsius and he said

626
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:06,790
that and this is a quote I cannot

627
00:30:10,530 --> 00:30:08,890
conceive of such complete cremation

628
00:30:13,710 --> 00:30:10,540
without more burning of the apartment

629
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:13,720
itself because there are objects nearby

630
00:30:17,910 --> 00:30:16,570
her body like piles of newspaper and

631
00:30:22,610 --> 00:30:17,920
there was a bed as well that were you

632
00:30:27,150 --> 00:30:22,620
know barely scorched so very unusual I

633
00:30:29,820 --> 00:30:27,160
remember a case one time where this was

634
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:29,830
an elderly gentleman who was in in bed

635
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:34,210
with the covers on top of him and he

636
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:37,570
actually burnt through the bed onto the

637
00:30:42,780 --> 00:30:40,630
floor yet his bedclothes were just

638
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:42,790
lightly scorched and but he had been

639
00:30:48,540 --> 00:30:45,210
reduced basically to a pile of ashes

640
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:48,550
yeah right that's the weird thing that

641
00:30:54,210 --> 00:30:51,010
there can be objects nearby that that

642
00:30:55,710 --> 00:30:54,220
are you know completely unaffected and

643
00:30:56,460 --> 00:30:55,720
you know how do we explain that if this

644
00:30:59,270 --> 00:30:56,470
is just a case

645
00:31:02,120 --> 00:30:59,280
of sort of conventional fire I suppose

646
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:02,130
there could be other energies involved

647
00:31:05,510 --> 00:31:04,450
but certainly it's not a normal process

648
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:05,520
of burning

649
00:31:12,890 --> 00:31:09,760
well now you mentioned how there are

650
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:12,900
similarities between spontaneous human

651
00:31:18,899 --> 00:31:16,000
combustion and possibly a poltergeist

652
00:31:21,419 --> 00:31:18,909
activity well you know as you as you

653
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:21,429
well know one of the favorite things for

654
00:31:28,649 --> 00:31:24,850
certain cases of poltergeist is the

655
00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:28,659
starting of unexplained fires yeah

656
00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:29,740
that's that's correct

657
00:31:34,409 --> 00:31:31,590
yep that's certainly one aspect of

658
00:31:36,419 --> 00:31:34,419
poltergeist story and in my book I've

659
00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:36,429
you know I sort of note the the

660
00:31:42,060 --> 00:31:39,190
similarities between you know some of

661
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,070
these poltergeist fires and and what

662
00:31:47,010 --> 00:31:43,840
occurs in the case of you know

663
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,020
spontaneous human combustion so the

664
00:31:51,810 --> 00:31:49,840
starting of fires is certainly it's not

665
00:31:53,460 --> 00:31:51,820
as common as saying like rapping and

666
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,470
banging noises and the throwing of

667
00:31:56,190 --> 00:31:55,360
objects and electrical disturbances and

668
00:31:59,039 --> 00:31:56,200
so on but there are some very

669
00:32:01,740 --> 00:31:59,049
well-documented cases of poltergeist

670
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:01,750
fires and these cases do continue to

671
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:04,330
crop up every now and then there was a

672
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:09,370
famous case in in in Amherst in in Nova

673
00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:12,490
Scotia and you know the great Amherst

674
00:32:18,919 --> 00:32:14,950
mystery as it's called that's the case

675
00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:18,929
that I discuss it's happened 1878 1879

676
00:32:24,779 --> 00:32:22,360
involving a young lady named Esther Cox

677
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:24,789
but basically that the poltergeist

678
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:28,090
entity in this situation kept sort of

679
00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:30,070
kisara I wouldn't apparently communicate

680
00:32:33,630 --> 00:32:32,110
it communicate with the entity by means

681
00:32:37,020 --> 00:32:33,640
of you know wrapping noises and that

682
00:32:40,020 --> 00:32:37,030
kind of thing and it sort of kept

683
00:32:42,180 --> 00:32:40,030
threatening to burn down the house and

684
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,190
there were you know these fires just

685
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:44,559
sort of spontaneously erupting in

686
00:32:47,789 --> 00:32:46,000
various parts of the house and the

687
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:47,799
family members were very very scared and

688
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:49,929
concerned they had to run around and

689
00:32:53,850 --> 00:32:51,250
sort of put them out and that sort of

690
00:32:55,980 --> 00:32:53,860
thing but it really seemed to be a form

691
00:32:58,620 --> 00:32:55,990
of sort of psychological torture it's as

692
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,630
though the entity was trying to place

693
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:01,679
everyone in a state of fear and anxiety

694
00:33:07,399 --> 00:33:04,450
but yeah that's a fascinating case of a

695
00:33:09,810 --> 00:33:07,409
folder sort of fire poltergeist sorry

696
00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:09,820
but in this there's quite a few cases I

697
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:10,340
discuss

698
00:33:15,970 --> 00:33:12,710
in my book you may have heard of this

699
00:33:17,620 --> 00:33:15,980
case from 1932 in not sure if I've got

700
00:33:21,460 --> 00:33:17,630
the correct pronunciation here but it

701
00:33:24,130 --> 00:33:21,470
was Bladon burro in north carolina and

702
00:33:27,549 --> 00:33:24,140
there was a gentleman there can't sort

703
00:33:30,190 --> 00:33:27,559
of counsel h williamson was his name he

704
00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:30,200
and his wife apparently in their house

705
00:33:35,740 --> 00:33:32,120
over a three-day period there were some

706
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:35,750
20 fires that just erupted spontaneously

707
00:33:41,019 --> 00:33:37,850
and inexplicably in various parts of the

708
00:33:44,289 --> 00:33:41,029
house they seem to target mainly you

709
00:33:46,539 --> 00:33:44,299
know sort of very specific items window

710
00:33:48,940 --> 00:33:46,549
shades and curtains and bledsoe

711
00:33:50,980 --> 00:33:48,950
bedclothes and stacks of paper and that

712
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:50,990
sort of thing and there was also an

713
00:33:55,779 --> 00:33:53,210
incident to where you know there's been

714
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:55,789
a few cases of this where in this case

715
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:56,720
it was his daughter

716
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,730
other accounts say it was his wife but

717
00:34:03,610 --> 00:34:00,799
she was standing there was a dress on

718
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:03,620
and apparently the the garment just

719
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:06,110
suddenly caught fire and it was

720
00:34:14,649 --> 00:34:09,770
basically just totally reduced to ash or

721
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:14,659
a charred rag and yeah the thing is that

722
00:34:20,349 --> 00:34:17,510
in a lot of these poltergeist cases

723
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:20,359
where there are fires the the the fires

724
00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:23,810
are very specific they as I said they

725
00:34:28,990 --> 00:34:26,230
target sort of pretty specific items and

726
00:34:31,930 --> 00:34:29,000
sometimes objects nearby are completely

727
00:34:34,540 --> 00:34:31,940
unaffected as well and also what's been

728
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:34,550
observed is the the fires are often blue

729
00:34:39,220 --> 00:34:37,280
in color sometimes they don't actually

730
00:34:42,220 --> 00:34:39,230
cause any burning to people as well in

731
00:34:43,690 --> 00:34:42,230
this case was his daughter Williamson's

732
00:34:45,010 --> 00:34:43,700
daughter is apparently she was

733
00:34:47,399 --> 00:34:45,020
completely untouched

734
00:34:50,589 --> 00:34:47,409
you know she hadn't been burnt at all

735
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:50,599
but yeah as I said the fires often blue

736
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:51,520
in color

737
00:34:58,210 --> 00:34:54,409
sometimes they emit no smoke and there

738
00:35:00,250 --> 00:34:58,220
they're very localized and I think one

739
00:35:03,970 --> 00:35:00,260
of the best books that talks about

740
00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:03,980
poltergeist fires is one by a guy lie on

741
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:07,849
Playfair he was a British researcher at

742
00:35:12,700 --> 00:35:10,490
the late guyline Playfair I should say

743
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:12,710
you died a few years ago I wrote a book

744
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:14,570
called the flying cow and he was

745
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:16,609
basically his research into paranormal

746
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:19,450
phenomena in Brazil a really interesting

747
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:22,160
really interesting book but there was

748
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:23,930
one case that that he

749
00:35:31,180 --> 00:35:27,410
talks about it happened in 1970 in San

750
00:35:35,290 --> 00:35:31,190
Paulo and there were all these you know

751
00:35:37,059 --> 00:35:35,300
fires erupting in this house and there

752
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:37,069
was an incident there where the police

753
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:38,960
officers came in they're investigating

754
00:35:46,510 --> 00:35:41,770
it and they noticed that there was a

755
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:46,520
mattress burning and the police officer

756
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:49,730
he actually cut it open and the fire was

757
00:35:54,490 --> 00:35:52,250
actually originated from the middle of

758
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,500
the mattress so he was able to cut it

759
00:35:59,020 --> 00:35:56,240
open and then he saw that it was you

760
00:36:02,290 --> 00:35:59,030
know sort of glowing hot inside he could

761
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:02,300
see actually no flames present but but

762
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:04,010
then it you know as I said that relates

763
00:36:08,799 --> 00:36:06,050
to spontaneous human combustion because

764
00:36:11,230 --> 00:36:08,809
the fires seemed to originate from was

765
00:36:13,569 --> 00:36:11,240
in was in the the body of the victim and

766
00:36:15,099 --> 00:36:13,579
then we see in poltergeist fires once

767
00:36:18,099 --> 00:36:15,109
again it's it seems to be an internal

768
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:18,109
process so there's some definite you

769
00:36:24,700 --> 00:36:20,650
know very interesting similarities there

770
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:24,710
well the we we investigated a case that

771
00:36:30,940 --> 00:36:28,250
took place there in Brazil and the

772
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:30,950
island at the Corrales I believe it's a

773
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:33,650
pronounced where this entire town was

774
00:36:42,579 --> 00:36:38,690
literally besieged by some vampire type

775
00:36:45,609 --> 00:36:42,589
object that came down and actually

776
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:45,619
sucked the blood out of out of

777
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:47,530
individuals and there were fires

778
00:36:53,710 --> 00:36:51,920
associated with that and a couple of

779
00:36:56,170 --> 00:36:53,720
other cases in that in that their

780
00:36:59,920 --> 00:36:56,180
vicinity there was one where a two

781
00:37:03,670 --> 00:36:59,930
centuries two soldiers were on duty in a

782
00:37:07,059 --> 00:37:03,680
in a fort one night and these two balls

783
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:07,069
of fire came down from the the sky in

784
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,089
the scorch them fairly really bad now I

785
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:14,000
think you you have you've mentioned a

786
00:37:20,650 --> 00:37:17,049
ball lightning as possibly being a

787
00:37:22,839 --> 00:37:20,660
source for some of the UFOs but that

788
00:37:25,900 --> 00:37:22,849
doesn't seem to fit because from what I

789
00:37:28,289 --> 00:37:25,910
know about a ball lightning it's a

790
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:28,299
rather what quicker phenomena where the

791
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:35,089
the the ball lightning may be visible or

792
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:38,130
maybe the you know it exists

793
00:37:44,030 --> 00:37:39,930
just a few seconds and that for a

794
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:44,040
prolonged period of time yeah yeah well

795
00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:46,410
certainly that is one theory that that

796
00:37:50,060 --> 00:37:48,150
ball lightning may be responsible for

797
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:50,070
certain cases of spontaneous human

798
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:53,250
combustion but basically the ball

799
00:37:57,950 --> 00:37:55,050
lightning is is it's a very mysterious

800
00:38:00,290 --> 00:37:57,960
thing it was only really acknowledged

801
00:38:04,850 --> 00:38:00,300
you know by the scientific community in

802
00:38:05,990 --> 00:38:04,860
like 1969 or there abouts even though

803
00:38:07,580 --> 00:38:06,000
there were so many reports they

804
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:07,590
basically dismissed those reports

805
00:38:12,710 --> 00:38:11,130
because they sounded to outlandish but

806
00:38:13,940 --> 00:38:12,720
basically it was ball lightning it's

807
00:38:14,780 --> 00:38:13,950
it's I mean it's called a look ball

808
00:38:18,260 --> 00:38:14,790
lightning because it's generally

809
00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:18,270
associated with thunderstorms so these

810
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:21,600
are basically just small balls of light

811
00:38:27,410 --> 00:38:24,420
or fire if you like they're generally

812
00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:27,420
about the size of a grapefruit they can

813
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:31,550
be red orange yellow et cetera and

814
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:34,050
usually that's true that they don't last

815
00:38:39,110 --> 00:38:36,570
for very long they basically the

816
00:38:42,020 --> 00:38:39,120
disintegrate or they explode and

817
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:42,030
sometimes quite violently as well and

818
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:43,440
they can sometimes emit like a hissing

819
00:38:48,620 --> 00:38:45,930
sound and when they do explode sometimes

820
00:38:52,070 --> 00:38:48,630
they they leave behind a very distinct

821
00:38:54,350 --> 00:38:52,080
odor like ozone or burning sulfur and

822
00:38:56,780 --> 00:38:54,360
those sorts of things the cases that I'm

823
00:38:58,850 --> 00:38:56,790
really interested in our cases of

824
00:39:02,750 --> 00:38:58,860
apparently intelligent ball lightning oh

825
00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:02,760
yeah well we have the Brown Mountain

826
00:39:09,220 --> 00:39:06,870
lights in North Carolina here where the

827
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:09,230
objects appear in front of people as a

828
00:39:14,090 --> 00:39:11,850
spontaneous ball of light but as they

829
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:14,100
approach it it will disappear and then

830
00:39:19,610 --> 00:39:17,160
reappear behind them and the balls of

831
00:39:22,660 --> 00:39:19,620
light are actually seen rising up from

832
00:39:25,100 --> 00:39:22,670
the the mountains and shooting over the

833
00:39:28,070 --> 00:39:25,110
shooting up into the sky and so forth

834
00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:28,080
yeah yeah I mean as I understand it that

835
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:30,150
would be more a case of you know what

836
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:32,850
would be called earth lights earth right

837
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:36,690
yeah yeah and they spook spook spook

838
00:39:42,110 --> 00:39:39,570
lights ghost light exactly yeah the

839
00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:42,120
various terms are used to describe them

840
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:44,220
but you know in Australia they're called

841
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,370
the min min lights for example and it's

842
00:39:51,350 --> 00:39:48,960
something to that the Aborigines have

843
00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:51,360
apparently been observing for

844
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:53,250
for a very long time even before you

845
00:39:57,890 --> 00:39:55,680
know Europeans arrived and they always

846
00:39:59,900 --> 00:39:57,900
associated them was you know like

847
00:40:02,750 --> 00:39:59,910
spirits or the work of sorcery or

848
00:40:06,590 --> 00:40:04,850
and also you know if you look at the the

849
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:06,600
Foo Fighter phenomenon too that occurred

850
00:40:11,210 --> 00:40:08,610
during war invention that I was going to

851
00:40:14,300 --> 00:40:11,220
ask you about that yeah yeah exactly so

852
00:40:17,330 --> 00:40:14,310
some of these is playful you know

853
00:40:21,230 --> 00:40:17,340
inquisitive balls of light that the the

854
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:21,240
pilot saw during World War two that

855
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:23,610
really sort of I mean we're talking

856
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:25,950
about something that really sort of

857
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:28,260
kicked off the whole UFO phenomenon I

858
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,330
suppose you know it wasn't just Kenneth

859
00:40:34,430 --> 00:40:32,640
Arnold's famous sighting but really we

860
00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:34,440
you know all these reports of Foo

861
00:40:37,460 --> 00:40:36,300
Fighters that that sort of really kind

862
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:37,470
of brought it to the public's attention

863
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:40,770
I suppose but yeah very similar

864
00:40:44,990 --> 00:40:42,960
characteristics these strange balls of

865
00:40:46,850 --> 00:40:45,000
light that would just suddenly appear

866
00:40:49,250 --> 00:40:46,860
they'd circle around planes and then

867
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:49,260
they'd shoot off you know the pilots

868
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:51,450
thought they were some sort of you know

869
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:54,480
secret technology created by the Nazis

870
00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:56,400
or something like that

871
00:41:00,290 --> 00:40:58,020
and of course even apparently even the

872
00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:00,300
Japanese and the Germans did also

873
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,060
witness these things as well

874
00:41:07,460 --> 00:41:04,800
and this is something that Vincent

875
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:07,470
Gaddis discusses as well he he came to

876
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:10,410
the conclusion that was the Foo Fighters

877
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:13,200
it may be some form of intelligent sort

878
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:18,090
of high-altitude ball lightning and but

879
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:20,760
if we go back to the idea of ball

880
00:41:25,580 --> 00:41:22,920
lightning possibly causing spontaneous

881
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:25,590
human combustion I think it's it's it's

882
00:41:31,820 --> 00:41:28,800
an intriguing theory we know that ball

883
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:31,830
lightning can certainly injure people it

884
00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:34,890
can burn them sometimes it can give off

885
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:38,190
a lot of heat though not always it seems

886
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:41,310
to be associated with it's believed to

887
00:41:45,770 --> 00:41:43,020
be like a form of high density plasma

888
00:41:49,580 --> 00:41:45,780
like an ionized gas and plasmas of

889
00:41:51,700 --> 00:41:49,590
course can be quite hot but there are a

890
00:41:54,590 --> 00:41:51,710
few cases that I mentioned in the book

891
00:41:56,930 --> 00:41:54,600
that suggests some kind of connection

892
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:56,940
between ball lightning and spontaneous

893
00:42:03,440 --> 00:41:59,640
human combustion there is just a very

894
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,450
famous case that was reported in 1961 in

895
00:42:07,550 --> 00:42:05,520
faith magazine

896
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:07,560
there was an American Reverend winner

897
00:42:16,540 --> 00:42:11,520
gene savage apparently one of his

898
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:16,550
friends was apparently saw this

899
00:42:22,089 --> 00:42:19,290
basically saw like a ball of light in

900
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:22,099
the house or a ball of fire if you like

901
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:24,450
he apparently heard his wife screaming

902
00:42:29,570 --> 00:42:27,000
and this object was sort of hovering

903
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:29,580
over her body and then he tried to put

904
00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:31,890
out the flames but to no avail and she

905
00:42:37,940 --> 00:42:35,550
died so that's a you know apparently the

906
00:42:40,460 --> 00:42:37,950
the room itself suffered very little

907
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:40,470
damage although the woman of course was

908
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:42,810
was very badly burned so there's a an

909
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:45,300
interesting case there as well there's a

910
00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:47,970
few others that I mentioned I suppose

911
00:42:53,260 --> 00:42:48,990
they're probably that one of the most

912
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:53,270
fascinating cases was a case in in 1978

913
00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:55,920
there were five Mountaineers this was in

914
00:43:01,280 --> 00:42:58,920
the Caucasus Mountains in Russia they

915
00:43:04,010 --> 00:43:01,290
reported seeing like this yellow blob is

916
00:43:05,180 --> 00:43:04,020
how they described it and bear in mind

917
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:05,190
that this was of course that are very

918
00:43:10,099 --> 00:43:07,530
high altitude so this perhaps ties into

919
00:43:11,870 --> 00:43:10,109
the idea of you know Foo Fighters being

920
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:11,880
a form of high-altitude ball lightning

921
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:14,250
so apparently this object came into

922
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:16,890
their tent and apparently very

923
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:20,250
deliberately and methodically sort of

924
00:43:25,820 --> 00:43:22,290
took turns diving into their sleeping

925
00:43:27,530 --> 00:43:25,830
bats back sorry and you know burn them

926
00:43:29,710 --> 00:43:27,540
horribly in the process and they were

927
00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:29,720
screaming they're in an incredible pain

928
00:43:34,820 --> 00:43:32,369
one of the men talked about being sort

929
00:43:37,010 --> 00:43:34,830
of blacking out repeatedly apparently

930
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:37,020
because of the pain they were flown to

931
00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:39,810
hospital and apparently they had very

932
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:42,839
bad burns and they also talked about the

933
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:45,660
like having you know basically chunks of

934
00:43:50,540 --> 00:43:48,180
muscle being torn from their bones and

935
00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:50,550
that kind of thing so it's a very sounds

936
00:43:57,170 --> 00:43:53,030
like their injuries were very gruesome

937
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:57,180
so really an impact in the report they

938
00:44:01,820 --> 00:43:58,890
they sort of they do actually describe

939
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:01,830
it as ball lightning as well but the

940
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:05,220
thing we need what area they were they

941
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:08,010
all died from this right I mean there

942
00:44:11,540 --> 00:44:09,290
were no survivors

943
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:11,550
apparently that one of them one of the

944
00:44:18,769 --> 00:44:16,650
men died was only one yeah but but the

945
00:44:21,620 --> 00:44:18,779
thing is was ball lightning where we

946
00:44:23,209 --> 00:44:21,630
use that it could be or seems to be

947
00:44:27,769 --> 00:44:23,219
referring to a whole range of different

948
00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:27,779
things so you know there could be all

949
00:44:31,909 --> 00:44:30,390
different kinds of ball lightning that

950
00:44:35,149 --> 00:44:31,919
have very different different sort of

951
00:44:37,069 --> 00:44:35,159
mechanisms of production you know and

952
00:44:39,919 --> 00:44:37,079
and and that's why I use the term

953
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:39,929
anomalous lights to refer not just to

954
00:44:44,589 --> 00:44:42,329
ball lightning but earth lights

955
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,599
you know spook lights ghost lights etc

956
00:44:50,509 --> 00:44:46,880
earthquake lights and so on and also

957
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:50,519
some of the orbs to that occurring in

958
00:44:55,339 --> 00:44:53,609
poltergeist incidents as well so you

959
00:44:59,029 --> 00:44:55,349
know that's what we have we have we have

960
00:45:01,279 --> 00:44:59,039
one here in Timbers in Indiana the

961
00:45:02,929 --> 00:45:01,289
Morley lights yeah

962
00:45:05,749 --> 00:45:02,939
the Marly lights now that's in there

963
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:05,759
Missouri's I'm sorry okay yeah that's in

964
00:45:12,819 --> 00:45:09,689
mert missouria but the these things are

965
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:12,829
different different different sizes and

966
00:45:18,649 --> 00:45:15,689
some of them now have even started

967
00:45:21,769 --> 00:45:18,659
appearing inside the the homes of some

968
00:45:25,189 --> 00:45:21,779
of the witnesses very very peculiar a

969
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:25,199
very long lasting and phenomenon I mean

970
00:45:32,299 --> 00:45:28,380
it's been going on for years our friend

971
00:45:33,739 --> 00:45:32,309
Ted Phillips has investigated the case

972
00:45:36,799 --> 00:45:33,749
they're pretty thoroughly

973
00:45:39,799 --> 00:45:36,809
in fact it Tim he's due to come on I

974
00:45:41,659 --> 00:45:39,809
don't think we've had Ted out in a while

975
00:45:44,479 --> 00:45:41,669
no no we need to get him on some time

976
00:45:46,669 --> 00:45:44,489
hey we've only got about three minutes

977
00:45:50,149 --> 00:45:46,679
left in this segment

978
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:50,159
so I want you to let our audience know a

979
00:45:54,140 --> 00:45:52,079
little bit more about where they can

980
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:54,150
find your books and you know if you've

981
00:46:00,859 --> 00:45:57,569
got a website and things like that yeah

982
00:46:02,839 --> 00:46:00,869
absolutely so the the book borderland

983
00:46:05,809 --> 00:46:02,849
phenomena Volume one of course you can

984
00:46:07,279 --> 00:46:05,819
order it online from Amazon and Book

985
00:46:10,209 --> 00:46:07,289
Depository in a range of different

986
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:10,219
online book shops so it's easy to find

987
00:46:18,999 --> 00:46:14,729
my website is is Louis proudnet I'm also

988
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:19,009
on Twitter as well be proud to and

989
00:46:25,489 --> 00:46:22,319
Facebook as well so yeah certainly easy

990
00:46:29,659 --> 00:46:25,499
to to locate my videos as well on

991
00:46:33,140 --> 00:46:29,669
YouTube and a combo on yes what what's

992
00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:33,150
your what's your YouTube channel Oh

993
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:35,670
okay well basically you can you can just

994
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:37,380
if you just type in Lois proud you

995
00:46:42,019 --> 00:46:40,170
should be edifying some of my videos so

996
00:46:44,230 --> 00:46:42,029
I produced a few videos you know giving

997
00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:44,240
various talks about different topics and

998
00:46:51,740 --> 00:46:48,329
got to watch that yeah yeah and anything

999
00:46:55,579 --> 00:46:51,750
on a local phenomenon as many of there

1000
00:46:59,299 --> 00:46:55,589
that would be part of the look I mean I

1001
00:47:04,460 --> 00:46:59,309
I certainly I have been sort of looking

1002
00:47:06,910 --> 00:47:04,470
into a few cases here in Tasmania and I

1003
00:47:09,140 --> 00:47:06,920
am gonna currently working on a

1004
00:47:11,660 --> 00:47:09,150
basically just doing research at this

1005
00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:11,670
stage on volume 2 of borderland

1006
00:47:15,260 --> 00:47:13,020
phenomena which is going to look into

1007
00:47:18,049 --> 00:47:15,270
you know mysterious disappearances and

1008
00:47:20,299 --> 00:47:18,059
that sort of thing Valon tech Frederick

1009
00:47:22,609 --> 00:47:20,309
Valentich cases the case that I'm going

1010
00:47:25,010 --> 00:47:22,619
to be investigating and also trying to

1011
00:47:27,940 --> 00:47:25,020
find some some you know look at some new

1012
00:47:30,289 --> 00:47:27,950
evidence as well and try and you know

1013
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:30,299
interview people and that sort of thing

1014
00:47:34,339 --> 00:47:32,609
and of course I live very close to the

1015
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:34,349
Bass Strait which is you know where the

1016
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:35,609
incident occurred he was just flying

1017
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:38,880
from Melbourne to the King Island this

1018
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:40,680
was back in the 70s so very famous

1019
00:47:46,700 --> 00:47:45,240
mysterious disappearance case alright I

1020
00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:46,710
have to tear my have to interrupt you

1021
00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:48,329
here because that we need to go to our

1022
00:48:00,120 --> 00:47:50,339
break we prob thank you very much for

1023
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:04,630
explore the bazaars or e-ticket ride

1024
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:07,090
into the world of the paranormal

1025
00:48:14,670 --> 00:48:10,370
strap yourself in as we traverse the

1026
00:48:17,820 --> 00:48:14,680
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

1027
00:48:20,170 --> 00:48:17,830
ghosts Lost Worlds

1028
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:20,180
cryptozoology as well as other

1029
00:48:29,170 --> 00:48:24,050
dimensions it's time to take back the

1030
00:48:32,260 --> 00:48:29,180
night now your electrifying hosts of

1031
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:32,270
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

1032
00:48:40,750 --> 00:48:38,090
team sports alright welcome back to the

1033
00:48:43,690 --> 00:48:40,760
second part of exploring the bizarre I'm

1034
00:48:46,270 --> 00:48:43,700
Tim Schwartz with Timothy green Beckley

1035
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:46,280
and in our first segment we had on

1036
00:48:52,110 --> 00:48:50,000
author Lois proud and now Tim we're

1037
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:52,120
going to shift gears a little bit and

1038
00:49:00,130 --> 00:48:56,810
and bring on our our second guest a very

1039
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:00,140
good good friend of yours and and I've

1040
00:49:06,670 --> 00:49:03,530
had the opportunity to meet her myself

1041
00:49:08,890 --> 00:49:06,680
you have indeed and and we're still

1042
00:49:12,090 --> 00:49:08,900
we're still only halfway up to the side

1043
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:12,100
of Mount Olympus we've still got another

1044
00:49:18,310 --> 00:49:15,410
another another a bit too way to go but

1045
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:18,320
I do see the the cloud clouds up ahead

1046
00:49:29,370 --> 00:49:24,290
so I think will soon be forging into her

1047
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:29,380
front door there Circe I your your

1048
00:49:38,290 --> 00:49:33,770
obviously you're of a Greek heritage who

1049
00:49:44,020 --> 00:49:38,300
is Sir Circe in mythology okay well

1050
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:44,030
Circe is the daughter of Helios a Titan

1051
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:50,650
and immense so mm-hmm

1052
00:50:00,040 --> 00:49:55,210
she was not considered actually very

1053
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:00,050
beautiful to the nymph standard and so

1054
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:02,570
therefore she was kind of shunned by her

1055
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:05,450
mother and sister who were much more

1056
00:50:13,420 --> 00:50:10,640
beautiful than her and so she would sit

1057
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:13,430
with her father quite often

1058
00:50:23,050 --> 00:50:16,330
and talk with him and and get to know

1059
00:50:26,380 --> 00:50:23,060
about being a Titan and it was came upon

1060
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:26,390
one time she found that she was able to

1061
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:32,810
use magic and when she started to it was

1062
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:35,090
an innate it was something that was

1063
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:37,370
innate she didn't know that she knew how

1064
00:50:40,540 --> 00:50:37,850
to do it

1065
00:50:43,150 --> 00:50:40,550
but she just did it and it was forbidden

1066
00:50:48,810 --> 00:50:43,160
for a Titan to do something like this so

1067
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:48,820
Zeus punished her and shunned her from

1068
00:50:56,290 --> 00:50:53,090
her place of living and put her on her

1069
00:50:59,470 --> 00:50:56,300
own Island and she was not to leave but

1070
00:51:02,980 --> 00:50:59,480
her friends and surroundings were the

1071
00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:02,990
animals and the flora and the fauna she

1072
00:51:11,020 --> 00:51:05,780
would be called upon many times to come

1073
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,030
and do favors for men for the one time

1074
00:51:16,750 --> 00:51:13,760
for her brother and the one time for his

1075
00:51:18,850 --> 00:51:16,760
sister who was very very cruel to her

1076
00:51:23,850 --> 00:51:18,860
but she still went to do it only to find

1077
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:23,860
out she was tricked so it jeopardized

1078
00:51:30,310 --> 00:51:27,440
men's lives because they took her on the

1079
00:51:32,020 --> 00:51:30,320
ship with her so she was very upset with

1080
00:51:37,530 --> 00:51:32,030
her sister and turned her into a sea

1081
00:51:41,380 --> 00:51:37,540
monster and so she had quite a bit of

1082
00:51:45,220 --> 00:51:41,390
magical powers that she could utilize

1083
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:45,230
and her brother as well who actually had

1084
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:48,130
trained her how to do it

1085
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:52,400
now we should point out to the listeners

1086
00:51:59,680 --> 00:51:55,610
that even though this would come under

1087
00:52:04,840 --> 00:51:59,690
the definition of Mythology there are

1088
00:52:07,420 --> 00:52:04,850
still quite a few of people who believe

1089
00:52:10,570 --> 00:52:07,430
in the in the ancient the gods of Mount

1090
00:52:13,300 --> 00:52:10,580
Olympus and in fact our mutual friend

1091
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:13,310
Hercules who's been on a program on

1092
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:15,770
several times he talks about how they

1093
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:17,650
come down from Mount Olympus and

1094
00:52:24,220 --> 00:52:22,160
actually even a party and may perhaps

1095
00:52:26,830 --> 00:52:24,230
that's the word party with some of the

1096
00:52:30,460 --> 00:52:26,840
the locals and have been

1097
00:52:33,130 --> 00:52:30,470
don't even impregnate some of the the

1098
00:52:36,580 --> 00:52:33,140
the women there now do you see them as

1099
00:52:41,710 --> 00:52:36,590
being physical beings I mean do they

1100
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:41,720
actually still exist sure they what they

1101
00:52:49,510 --> 00:52:44,210
do is they'll have it somebody they will

1102
00:52:53,380 --> 00:52:49,520
take over and send messages so Hakata

1103
00:52:56,190 --> 00:52:53,390
comes to me quite often and she'll send

1104
00:52:59,470 --> 00:52:56,200
me messages about how to do something

1105
00:53:02,560 --> 00:52:59,480
know who was that again

1106
00:53:06,310 --> 00:53:02,570
okay so Hikari is the the goddess of

1107
00:53:11,470 --> 00:53:06,320
witchcraft she's all right yes but she's

1108
00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:11,480
very very revered and feared by all of

1109
00:53:19,150 --> 00:53:16,250
the gods even Zeus and Shh she took

1110
00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:19,160
Circe now see there's a couple different

1111
00:53:25,090 --> 00:53:21,860
mythology some say that she was the

1112
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:25,100
daughter of her caught Abe and then some

1113
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:27,890
others say that they were almost one in

1114
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:31,730
the same but she was a follower of

1115
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:35,810
picasa hayes religion and practices and

1116
00:53:41,710 --> 00:53:37,970
she taught her a lot of the stuff that

1117
00:53:43,570 --> 00:53:41,720
she knows and so Haqqani will come to me

1118
00:53:46,570 --> 00:53:43,580
every now and then she'll she'll send me

1119
00:53:50,770 --> 00:53:46,580
signals or Scholz send me a message and

1120
00:53:53,110 --> 00:53:50,780
then if I'm fighting for a spell or some

1121
00:53:55,450 --> 00:53:53,120
kind of herb I'm not quite placing it I

1122
00:53:57,250 --> 00:53:55,460
can't remember it I'll be walking down

1123
00:54:00,100 --> 00:53:57,260
the street and someone will mention it

1124
00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:00,110
and I'll say absolutes what I needed

1125
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:03,830
yeah so sometimes that's how it a lot of

1126
00:54:11,530 --> 00:54:06,730
the information will come to me as well

1127
00:54:14,860 --> 00:54:11,540
what would I've known you for a quite a

1128
00:54:17,980 --> 00:54:14,870
number of years socially and and in the

1129
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:17,990
magical field we share an interest in

1130
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:20,930
music and and so forth how did you look

1131
00:54:27,490 --> 00:54:25,280
at first to find out that you had a an

1132
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:27,500
interest or could practice magic or that

1133
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:30,530
you were able to to choose that you just

1134
00:54:38,830 --> 00:54:32,570
say spells I mean is that what you do is

1135
00:54:40,450 --> 00:54:38,840
guess spells yeah I guess around seven

1136
00:54:43,059 --> 00:54:40,460
or so

1137
00:54:46,839 --> 00:54:43,069
I was introduced to it through my

1138
00:54:50,500 --> 00:54:46,849
brother who had given me a book from

1139
00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:50,510
Sybil ich who is a very famous yes oh my

1140
00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:53,390
goodness yes from England yeah you know

1141
00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:56,260
I had her book and I was reading it

1142
00:55:02,290 --> 00:54:58,970
taking notes everything like this and

1143
00:55:04,660 --> 00:55:02,300
then I started dabbling and I found that

1144
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:04,670
I could move things sometimes

1145
00:55:11,170 --> 00:55:07,130
so I would be able to move something

1146
00:55:16,950 --> 00:55:11,180
across the dresser or I could change

1147
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:16,960
something color or I was able to read

1148
00:55:23,290 --> 00:55:21,050
somebody find like know something about

1149
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:23,300
them that they wouldn't necessarily have

1150
00:55:29,349 --> 00:55:26,690
told anyone and and then I would also

1151
00:55:32,049 --> 00:55:29,359
have premonitions so if I would be

1152
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:32,059
around somebody I would get their

1153
00:55:39,609 --> 00:55:35,839
history and where they're going and it's

1154
00:55:43,900 --> 00:55:39,619
um often times will kind of overpower me

1155
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:43,910
and I can't stop it so sometimes people

1156
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:46,490
when I'm doing this they they kind of

1157
00:55:51,220 --> 00:55:48,799
say that's enough I don't want to do it

1158
00:55:54,700 --> 00:55:51,230
but I can't stop it once it starts going

1159
00:55:58,120 --> 00:55:54,710
and it's almost like something has taken

1160
00:56:01,900 --> 00:55:58,130
over me and I believe I believe that to

1161
00:56:03,460 --> 00:56:01,910
be surf and she you know you wanted to

1162
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:03,470
know this this is what you're getting

1163
00:56:08,849 --> 00:56:07,849
and that's what the kind of person she

1164
00:56:16,059 --> 00:56:08,859
is

1165
00:56:17,890 --> 00:56:16,069
very you know forth kind she'll just

1166
00:56:21,579 --> 00:56:17,900
she'll tell you everything you needed to

1167
00:56:24,670 --> 00:56:21,589
know and then something yes so so then

1168
00:56:27,700 --> 00:56:24,680
you're you're actually a channeling some

1169
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:27,710
of these would you call them deity

1170
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:32,650
deities yeah well first in particular I

1171
00:56:40,569 --> 00:56:36,559
channel when I was younger they my

1172
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:40,579
family would liken me tour to Athena and

1173
00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:45,200
stuff but when when I went to the

1174
00:56:52,900 --> 00:56:49,750
Acropolis a crock bullet cross Alice I

1175
00:56:53,590 --> 00:56:52,910
noticed that I didn't I wasn't drawn to

1176
00:56:56,590 --> 00:56:53,600
Athena per

1177
00:57:01,330 --> 00:56:56,600
hey but when I walked on to it

1178
00:57:05,230 --> 00:57:01,340
the guards kind of like bowed they

1179
00:57:08,290 --> 00:57:05,240
didn't do anything and normally they

1180
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:08,300
would you know take you out with my guns

1181
00:57:13,390 --> 00:57:10,160
you know you know you're not supposed to

1182
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:13,400
walk on the Acropolis and so you know I

1183
00:57:17,950 --> 00:57:15,130
was just standing there just like

1184
00:57:22,060 --> 00:57:17,960
talking and I just started chanting

1185
00:57:24,490 --> 00:57:22,070
something and my uncle heard it and was

1186
00:57:28,290 --> 00:57:24,500
like what are you saying

1187
00:57:31,780 --> 00:57:28,300
how do you know that and it was a it was

1188
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:31,790
something that Athena had said also but

1189
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:35,210
in in a sense it's a part it was a

1190
00:57:40,870 --> 00:57:39,110
prayer and he was like how did you even

1191
00:57:43,690 --> 00:57:40,880
know that and I said I don't know and

1192
00:57:47,140 --> 00:57:43,700
it's only because I was probably in that

1193
00:57:57,460 --> 00:57:47,150
area and then channeling her that I

1194
00:58:03,130 --> 00:57:57,470
would be able to to do that yeah I think

1195
00:58:09,580 --> 00:58:03,140
is there somewhere that's at the butan

1196
00:58:12,460 --> 00:58:09,590
again can you give us a couple of

1197
00:58:13,950 --> 00:58:12,470
examples where people actually came to

1198
00:58:17,110 --> 00:58:13,960
you and you were able to do something

1199
00:58:20,350 --> 00:58:17,120
well would you say that the the spells

1200
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:20,360
that you do are they all positive spells

1201
00:58:29,260 --> 00:58:25,730
or do you engage a little no no no no I

1202
00:58:32,590 --> 00:58:29,270
will I won't do somebody had asked me

1203
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:32,600
one time to do a hurtful spell to

1204
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:33,920
somebody because she was mad at her

1205
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:34,610
boyfriend

1206
00:58:41,140 --> 00:58:38,090
oh yeah now of course you get those

1207
00:58:42,970 --> 00:58:41,150
kinds so of course I did it but it came

1208
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:42,980
back threefold and she fell down a

1209
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:45,250
flight of stairs and twisted her legs

1210
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:49,760
and I said well I'm sorry and she's like

1211
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:51,170
but you're the one who did this fell and

1212
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:52,880
I said yes but you asked for it

1213
00:59:00,010 --> 00:58:56,720
so it came back to her and it was you

1214
00:59:02,890 --> 00:59:00,020
know with with bad repercussions so I

1215
00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:02,900
don't use I will not do anything like

1216
00:59:11,470 --> 00:59:07,750
that now it's more positive it's for

1217
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:11,480
benevolence anything to do for the

1218
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:15,290
Wellness and usually not selfish reasons

1219
00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:18,410
it has to be for goodness for the

1220
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:20,900
goodness of all so you're not taking

1221
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:25,849
from somebody to give to you so and a

1222
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:29,440
lot of my jewelry has that already

1223
00:59:40,020 --> 00:59:33,680
casted into it so I usually use herbs

1224
00:59:44,050 --> 00:59:40,030
and crystals as well in in resin to

1225
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:44,060
fortify the spell so that when you wear

1226
00:59:49,540 --> 00:59:47,450
it it generates this fell even more

1227
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:49,550
powerful mm-hmm

1228
00:59:59,680 --> 00:59:56,530
now Minh to you and I was interested in

1229
01:00:01,960 --> 00:59:59,690
some sort of spell spell for health I

1230
01:00:04,210 --> 01:00:01,970
can certainly use that as a woman how

1231
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:04,220
how would you pick like would you pick

1232
01:00:13,690 --> 01:00:07,520
candles and oils and yeah an incense and

1233
01:00:17,020 --> 01:00:13,700
so forth okay so I incense is for for

1234
01:00:19,569 --> 01:00:17,030
just ambience yes the candles are very

1235
01:00:20,770 --> 01:00:19,579
important the way we're set up is very

1236
01:00:24,609 --> 01:00:20,780
important

1237
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:24,619
I usually cast a circle to enclose you

1238
01:00:31,210 --> 01:00:27,440
so that no harm can come to you while

1239
01:00:34,690 --> 01:00:31,220
the spell is happening and then you can

1240
01:00:38,050 --> 01:00:34,700
use oils herbs I usually use herbs

1241
01:00:41,349 --> 01:00:38,060
because I'm an elder practitioner and

1242
01:00:45,460 --> 01:00:41,359
and that's the source in me I have to

1243
01:00:49,329 --> 01:00:45,470
use herbs and the herbs are very

1244
01:00:53,170 --> 01:00:49,339
important you can rub them you can take

1245
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:53,180
them as a team times so that's what I

1246
01:00:58,660 --> 01:00:56,210
would do now oftentimes people will have

1247
01:01:01,990 --> 01:00:58,670
me do readings for them too and I do

1248
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:02,000
tarot readings and that's when I go into

1249
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:05,410
the trance and I get taken over and

1250
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:09,050
everything comes out and I had a friend

1251
01:01:13,089 --> 01:01:11,359
over and I was doing you know they all

1252
01:01:14,230 --> 01:01:13,099
let me let me try it let me try it I

1253
01:01:18,870 --> 01:01:14,240
just want to ask a couple of questions

1254
01:01:20,770 --> 01:01:18,880
I'm like okay and started doing these

1255
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:20,780
you know the

1256
01:01:25,450 --> 01:01:22,130
slang and everything and all of a sudden

1257
01:01:28,450 --> 01:01:25,460
I'm like who's Rachel who who's Rachel

1258
01:01:30,310 --> 01:01:28,460
and she's like what are you talking

1259
01:01:31,930 --> 01:01:30,320
about what do you mean that was what my

1260
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:31,940
parents were gonna name me before I was

1261
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:36,050
born and I'm like okay and so it just

1262
01:01:39,550 --> 01:01:37,730
all of a sudden starts coming to me and

1263
01:01:42,340 --> 01:01:39,560
I can't stop it and she was like stop

1264
01:01:44,860 --> 01:01:42,350
stop stop doing that and I'm like okay

1265
01:01:46,270 --> 01:01:44,870
who's this and she's like we just

1266
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:46,280
thought that that was one of my uncle's

1267
01:01:51,790 --> 01:01:48,530
oh my god I can't believe it I'm like

1268
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:51,800
okay he's dead and she goes yeah I'm

1269
01:01:55,780 --> 01:01:54,050
like well he's saying hello you know and

1270
01:01:58,180 --> 01:01:55,790
and she's like I can't believe you can

1271
01:02:00,010 --> 01:01:58,190
do this oh my god I said yes it always

1272
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:00,020
happens like that whenever somebody gets

1273
01:02:06,250 --> 01:02:04,160
me into you know readings or any kind of

1274
01:02:09,610 --> 01:02:06,260
spells or anything like that I start all

1275
01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:09,620
of a sudden picking up other in the

1276
01:02:17,050 --> 01:02:15,110
ether coming in when I I know that

1277
01:02:19,810 --> 01:02:17,060
probably one of your most requested

1278
01:02:24,250 --> 01:02:19,820
types of spells would be love spells but

1279
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:24,260
aren't those problematic oh yeah because

1280
01:02:33,220 --> 01:02:32,240
you never know what you're gonna get the

1281
01:02:36,670 --> 01:02:33,230
stalker

1282
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:36,680
that's right you may end up making it

1283
01:02:44,710 --> 01:02:39,530
too powerful and then they will never

1284
01:02:49,810 --> 01:02:44,720
leave you alone so it's um it's best to

1285
01:02:53,490 --> 01:02:49,820
do self-love spells in that you generate

1286
01:02:56,830 --> 01:02:53,500
love and then love will come to you so

1287
01:03:00,490 --> 01:02:56,840
you could use the rose quartz and and

1288
01:03:02,980 --> 01:03:00,500
then carry that with you and then that

1289
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:02,990
will just emanate that the positive

1290
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:05,930
energy of love and that will attract a

1291
01:03:12,250 --> 01:03:09,530
lover to you yeah I would very very much

1292
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:12,260
caution never to put a love spell on

1293
01:03:18,700 --> 01:03:15,680
somebody because that's when you get

1294
01:03:21,010 --> 01:03:18,710
into the tricky territory of them

1295
01:03:26,860 --> 01:03:21,020
becoming a stalker and then you have

1296
01:03:31,150 --> 01:03:26,870
bigger problems plus you may you may not

1297
01:03:32,890 --> 01:03:31,160
end you may not end up liking or loving

1298
01:03:34,180 --> 01:03:32,900
the person that you would in the first

1299
01:03:41,319 --> 01:03:34,190
place

1300
01:03:43,930 --> 01:03:41,329
you can't shake him and plus I mean

1301
01:03:46,839 --> 01:03:43,940
doesn't that doesn't also have to do a

1302
01:03:50,170 --> 01:03:46,849
lot with you know you shouldn't try to

1303
01:03:53,410 --> 01:03:50,180
force somebody else's will you know to

1304
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:53,420
bend to yours you know right all in love

1305
01:03:58,690 --> 01:03:56,569
with you and all that again it's a

1306
01:04:02,680 --> 01:03:58,700
selfish reason and that's why I stay

1307
01:04:06,339 --> 01:04:02,690
away from selfish request there's

1308
01:04:07,319 --> 01:04:06,349
nothing for like if you if somebody want

1309
01:04:13,059 --> 01:04:07,329
I want money

1310
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:13,069
everybody does how about success how

1311
01:04:18,670 --> 01:04:15,770
about looking for something that will

1312
01:04:23,069 --> 01:04:18,680
bring you money instead of just being

1313
01:04:27,010 --> 01:04:25,240
there's another example that I'm

1314
01:04:29,620 --> 01:04:27,020
thinking of somebody had asked me to do

1315
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:29,630
they're like oh I want this person to

1316
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:32,329
leave me alone I'm like do you really or

1317
01:04:39,010 --> 01:04:34,930
do you want them to just back off

1318
01:04:41,859 --> 01:04:39,020
because if you go too far you might end

1319
01:04:44,140 --> 01:04:41,869
up hurting that person and then they can

1320
01:04:47,890 --> 01:04:44,150
be hurt and then that comes back

1321
01:04:51,549 --> 01:04:47,900
threefold on you so they were like oh oh

1322
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:51,559
no no okay maybe not okay I'm like yeah

1323
01:04:57,819 --> 01:04:53,839
you could just make yourself on interest

1324
01:05:00,430 --> 01:04:57,829
like undesirable towards them and then

1325
01:05:04,529 --> 01:05:00,440
they'll leave you alone but don't ever

1326
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:09,339
no how would you classify your magic I

1327
01:05:17,069 --> 01:05:13,250
mean do you have a name that identifies

1328
01:05:20,490 --> 01:05:17,079
it or separates it from other forms of a

1329
01:05:26,380 --> 01:05:20,500
Wiccan magic let's say for example or

1330
01:05:30,190 --> 01:05:26,390
Enochian magic or right see when I first

1331
01:05:30,700 --> 01:05:30,200
started I did new forest which is the

1332
01:05:36,660 --> 01:05:30,710
beliefs

1333
01:05:41,019 --> 01:05:36,670
oh yes right and then Laura Cabot also

1334
01:05:45,970 --> 01:05:41,029
became friendly with and so I picked up

1335
01:05:48,039 --> 01:05:45,980
a lot of her ways too but I also mix

1336
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:48,049
this right with what we

1337
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:50,689
when we went to sell them one time

1338
01:05:54,849 --> 01:05:52,910
that's right that's right I have photos

1339
01:05:58,329 --> 01:05:54,859
of you in I have photos of you in the

1340
01:06:03,870 --> 01:05:58,339
stock in the middle of town mm-hmm I'm

1341
01:06:07,059 --> 01:06:03,880
right but my eye I don't exactly know

1342
01:06:11,439 --> 01:06:07,069
what it would be considered because I

1343
01:06:15,249 --> 01:06:11,449
also do a lot of shamanistic Native

1344
01:06:20,709 --> 01:06:15,259
American mixed in most of my magic is

1345
01:06:25,779 --> 01:06:20,719
all herbal crystal and spell so there's

1346
01:06:31,059 --> 01:06:25,789
I do moon magic you know a spell with

1347
01:06:34,809 --> 01:06:31,069
moon I could do water magic okay so my

1348
01:06:37,779 --> 01:06:34,819
there's there's a whole array of things

1349
01:06:41,319 --> 01:06:37,789
that when I wonder what it would is

1350
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:41,329
water magics okay so a lot of the water

1351
01:06:50,199 --> 01:06:45,890
magic is divination so looking into it

1352
01:06:56,380 --> 01:06:50,209
and seeing what's what's to come or what

1353
01:07:00,489 --> 01:06:56,390
what's the answer also that's one where

1354
01:07:03,910 --> 01:07:00,499
you can deteriorate something so let's

1355
01:07:08,140 --> 01:07:03,920
say you have a bad habit you want to get

1356
01:07:12,999 --> 01:07:08,150
rid of it you'll take a string and tie 9

1357
01:07:16,179 --> 01:07:13,009
knots of thinking of this bad habit put

1358
01:07:20,429 --> 01:07:16,189
it into a river and as the string

1359
01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:20,439
deteriorates your habit will go away I

1360
01:07:28,179 --> 01:07:25,849
had a lady who used to do readings when

1361
01:07:31,239 --> 01:07:28,189
I had the occult Center and she did

1362
01:07:34,439 --> 01:07:31,249
candle wax readings where she would

1363
01:07:38,380 --> 01:07:34,449
surely drip the the candle wax into a

1364
01:07:41,140 --> 01:07:38,390
into a glass of water and and and at

1365
01:07:43,630 --> 01:07:41,150
first I was kind of skeptical by I the

1366
01:07:47,620 --> 01:07:43,640
first time I had ever seen that and and

1367
01:07:50,229 --> 01:07:47,630
she was very very act very accurate so

1368
01:07:52,419 --> 01:07:50,239
this is all forms of divination I mean

1369
01:07:53,859 --> 01:07:52,429
most people are not even you could even

1370
01:07:55,419 --> 01:07:53,869
you could even read the bumps on a

1371
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:55,429
person's edie

1372
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:00,559
right craniology so yeah yeah but the

1373
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:01,730
scrying and

1374
01:08:08,109 --> 01:08:04,880
the divination through water is is one

1375
01:08:11,580 --> 01:08:08,119
of the purest ways of looking it with

1376
01:08:16,329 --> 01:08:11,590
reflection of the moon to help me to see

1377
01:08:18,370 --> 01:08:16,339
how about how about a magic mirror yeah

1378
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:18,380
you could have mirrors are also I have

1379
01:08:25,630 --> 01:08:22,489
my magic mirror over my altar so yeah

1380
01:08:28,450 --> 01:08:25,640
you you know to consecrate it you have

1381
01:08:34,650 --> 01:08:28,460
to use the moon magic to consecrate it

1382
01:08:40,930 --> 01:08:34,660
but to what were we saying about the

1383
01:08:43,329 --> 01:08:40,940
spells so I lost my train of thought but

1384
01:08:47,260 --> 01:08:43,339
okay so there I guess that way

1385
01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:47,270
oh the candle wax yeah I've seen that

1386
01:08:59,249 --> 01:08:53,230
done and although I don't use that form

1387
01:09:03,309 --> 01:08:59,259
my my premonitions and my my way of

1388
01:09:08,440 --> 01:09:03,319
feeling is through the tarot cards my

1389
01:09:13,599 --> 01:09:08,450
deck has been with me since I was 10 and

1390
01:09:16,090 --> 01:09:13,609
do you use the white white writer deck

1391
01:09:20,170 --> 01:09:16,100
or do you use another deck now the

1392
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:20,180
aquarian and it's been with me since I

1393
01:09:29,910 --> 01:09:25,850
was 10 so it knows me even and Minoo it

1394
01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:29,920
will come up on spot on spot on spot

1395
01:09:37,539 --> 01:09:33,440
unless it doesn't like the question that

1396
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:37,549
somebody has asked and then I'll say you

1397
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:39,650
have to ask it a different way like so

1398
01:09:46,870 --> 01:09:42,640
if it's a selfish question or if it's a

1399
01:09:48,599 --> 01:09:46,880
question of like you know to harm or

1400
01:09:54,220 --> 01:09:48,609
something like that it will not answer

1401
01:09:56,830 --> 01:09:54,230
it'll give a confused response so it

1402
01:09:59,920 --> 01:09:56,840
kind of I channel through it and it

1403
01:10:01,630 --> 01:09:59,930
channels with me to it resonates with me

1404
01:10:06,460 --> 01:10:01,640
and that's when I can go into a trance

1405
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:06,470
and give you more now do you when you go

1406
01:10:12,910 --> 01:10:10,640
into a trance state you hear in a an

1407
01:10:14,540 --> 01:10:12,920
audible voice speaking there like into

1408
01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:14,550
your inner ear or

1409
01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:18,750
yeah so I call it the ethers and it's

1410
01:10:26,060 --> 01:10:21,600
everything around me start speaking to

1411
01:10:30,350 --> 01:10:26,070
me and all of a sudden someone will say

1412
01:10:32,270 --> 01:10:30,360
a name and I'll say who's this is this

1413
01:10:35,330 --> 01:10:32,280
the same ring a bell and the president

1414
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:35,340
yeah yeah yeah I had a no-no and on sore

1415
01:10:41,570 --> 01:10:39,210
like I'm sorry you know you know no and

1416
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:41,580
I'll just keep going on and then tell

1417
01:10:46,580 --> 01:10:44,250
them something personal about the person

1418
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:46,590
and they're like how did you know that I

1419
01:10:55,250 --> 01:10:51,120
actually her cause of one gentleman a

1420
01:10:57,380 --> 01:10:55,260
lot of pain because I told him you know

1421
01:11:00,200 --> 01:10:57,390
that his uncle who was in the Army and

1422
01:11:02,750 --> 01:11:00,210
was gay and I said he he wanted to let

1423
01:11:04,370 --> 01:11:02,760
you know that it's okay that you you

1424
01:11:07,130 --> 01:11:04,380
know that you didn't accept him he says

1425
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:07,140
he still loves you and he just started

1426
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:09,090
breaking down and crying and everything

1427
01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:10,170
he's like I knew it

1428
01:11:16,370 --> 01:11:13,830
oh my god so sometimes it can help and

1429
01:11:19,820 --> 01:11:16,380
sometimes it helps to close some some of

1430
01:11:24,020 --> 01:11:19,830
those you know loose ends that people

1431
01:11:25,700 --> 01:11:24,030
have left all right I'm gonna have to

1432
01:11:27,980 --> 01:11:25,710
interrupt this conversation for the

1433
01:11:30,380 --> 01:11:27,990
moment because we are coming up to our

1434
01:11:32,510 --> 01:11:30,390
bottom of the hour break so when we come

1435
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:32,520
back we will continue our conversation

1436
01:11:47,490 --> 01:11:44,910
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1437
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:47,500
two of the most electrifying researchers

1438
01:11:57,630 --> 01:11:50,800
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1439
01:12:04,110 --> 01:11:57,640
Lee panting Swift's and welcome back to

1440
01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:04,120
the that's because we're we're that's

1441
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:12,910
that would be Zeus okay that's that's

1442
01:12:20,160 --> 01:12:18,640
beautiful though well that's beautiful

1443
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:20,170
though because that that really goes

1444
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:21,850
into the question that I was wanting to

1445
01:12:28,430 --> 01:12:24,970
ask about you know what what is it or

1446
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:28,440
what was it you know about Greece and

1447
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:32,290
you know the the ancient gods or maybe

1448
01:12:37,230 --> 01:12:34,480
they're not so ancient gods that has

1449
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:37,240
made it so special that I mean we're

1450
01:12:41,490 --> 01:12:40,000
still talking about this stuff today I

1451
01:12:43,140 --> 01:12:41,500
mean you know Tim you know we've had

1452
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:43,150
Hercules on before and I've heard this

1453
01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:46,450
from other people who say that you know

1454
01:12:51,480 --> 01:12:49,510
the the old gods of Mount Olympus they

1455
01:12:53,700 --> 01:12:51,490
don't they haven't got anywhere they're

1456
01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:53,710
still around that there's still there's

1457
01:12:59,880 --> 01:12:58,330
still villages in Greece that you know

1458
01:13:03,090 --> 01:12:59,890
continued to worship with the gods and

1459
01:13:04,260 --> 01:13:03,100
even have you know communications with

1460
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:04,270
them even though they don't you know

1461
01:13:08,460 --> 01:13:06,130
talk about it naturally you know because

1462
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:08,470
of the you know Christian and other you

1463
01:13:13,980 --> 01:13:10,810
know majorities out there so what is it

1464
01:13:18,300 --> 01:13:13,990
about Greece that has made it so special

1465
01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:18,310
all this time well I guess I would say

1466
01:13:27,230 --> 01:13:23,890
that the gods were human they were they

1467
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:27,240
had human qualities they were not above

1468
01:13:34,740 --> 01:13:30,400
although they were they would come down

1469
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:34,750
to earth all the time they would mingle

1470
01:13:41,010 --> 01:13:37,600
have children with with human people

1471
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:41,020
they would mix all the time Dionysus

1472
01:13:47,580 --> 01:13:44,050
would would go to a party and get drunk

1473
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:47,590
with his with his his people and stuff

1474
01:13:52,739 --> 01:13:50,320
like that I mean they were they were

1475
01:13:57,779 --> 01:13:52,749
with us all the time

1476
01:14:00,629 --> 01:13:57,789
so it it wasn't like oh there's there

1477
01:14:03,149 --> 01:14:00,639
are God and untouchable we'll never see

1478
01:14:06,989 --> 01:14:03,159
them no they came down and they would

1479
01:14:11,899 --> 01:14:06,999
always be mingling with with us and and

1480
01:14:14,939 --> 01:14:11,909
always participating and watching and

1481
01:14:18,180 --> 01:14:14,949
giving us gifts and giving us

1482
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:18,190
information trying to help us you know

1483
01:14:29,100 --> 01:14:23,050
they they kind of toyed with us and like

1484
01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:29,110
this at the same time that's you know

1485
01:14:36,509 --> 01:14:32,130
that's an interesting point you know

1486
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:36,519
personable human like gods with with

1487
01:14:47,810 --> 01:14:40,960
this you know with the same strengths

1488
01:14:52,649 --> 01:14:47,820
and weaknesses that we have yeah they

1489
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:52,659
like I you know they they they were

1490
01:14:58,379 --> 01:14:55,690
angered so Hera would get angry with

1491
01:15:01,950 --> 01:14:58,389
Zeus every time he would go and have an

1492
01:15:05,779 --> 01:15:01,960
affair and he's been known to turn women

1493
01:15:09,390 --> 01:15:05,789
into cows and so I mean it was it was

1494
01:15:11,729 --> 01:15:09,400
it's this like a God should not have

1495
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:11,739
those types of angers or this or that or

1496
01:15:20,100 --> 01:15:15,489
jealousy but they do and it shows a

1497
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:20,110
humanistic quality of them and they were

1498
01:15:24,419 --> 01:15:22,090
also to be feared because they were

1499
01:15:30,839 --> 01:15:24,429
powerful and magical and had these

1500
01:15:34,830 --> 01:15:30,849
powers so it was I guess that's what

1501
01:15:38,580 --> 01:15:34,840
makes it so enchanting and and there was

1502
01:15:45,870 --> 01:15:38,590
a God for everything got a thunder god

1503
01:15:48,689 --> 01:15:45,880
of Dionysus wine you had the goddess of

1504
01:15:50,939 --> 01:15:48,699
the hunt you had you know so there was

1505
01:15:54,450 --> 01:15:50,949
all of the different gods and goddesses

1506
01:15:58,100 --> 01:15:54,460
that you could pray to or give thanks to

1507
01:16:04,109 --> 01:15:58,110
for your benefits or for blessings and

1508
01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:04,119
um it's interesting because there they

1509
01:16:11,810 --> 01:16:06,310
took over from

1510
01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:11,820
tighten so the Titans had been first and

1511
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:16,450
this his father was a Titan and Chronos

1512
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:21,850
ate all of the children and then Raya

1513
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:24,370
didn't want him to be eaten so she gave

1514
01:16:29,850 --> 01:16:27,850
him a stone he ate the stone and Zeus

1515
01:16:33,450 --> 01:16:29,860
came back and killed his father to free

1516
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:33,460
his brothers and sisters of the Pantheon

1517
01:16:41,490 --> 01:16:38,290
so the Titans kind of fell from grace in

1518
01:16:43,770 --> 01:16:41,500
that sense and their lesser known or

1519
01:16:48,570 --> 01:16:43,780
lesser looked upon except for like

1520
01:16:53,810 --> 01:16:48,580
Prometheus who gave fire to man but the

1521
01:17:01,320 --> 01:16:53,820
the gods then became I guess more

1522
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:01,330
honored because of that no I just want

1523
01:17:06,090 --> 01:17:03,970
to talk a little bit okay you've had all

1524
01:17:08,930 --> 01:17:06,100
of these experiences and you do the

1525
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:08,940
channeling it and so forth have you had

1526
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:12,010
like a growing up your share of

1527
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:14,650
paranormal experiences I mean other

1528
01:17:20,250 --> 01:17:16,960
spirits and ghosts and things along that

1529
01:17:26,700 --> 01:17:20,260
line I know you and I have got I know

1530
01:17:29,340 --> 01:17:26,710
you and I have gone to light houses that

1531
01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:29,350
are said to be haunted yeah yeah and and

1532
01:17:37,620 --> 01:17:31,420
when we might have even had a sighting

1533
01:17:47,690 --> 01:17:37,630
of the Jersey Devil correct right yeah

1534
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:51,770
sometimes I'll catch a spirit or a

1535
01:18:01,410 --> 01:17:56,170
energy that comes by or I get a feeling

1536
01:18:05,550 --> 01:18:01,420
or something touches me and I know

1537
01:18:10,140 --> 01:18:05,560
something that I shouldn't know recently

1538
01:18:12,690 --> 01:18:10,150
I had gone to a gypsy and I had my

1539
01:18:15,390 --> 01:18:12,700
daughter go just for fun we were going

1540
01:18:19,679 --> 01:18:15,400
to go and have our fortunes told because

1541
01:18:22,379 --> 01:18:19,689
I thought it would be fun and the lady

1542
01:18:24,330 --> 01:18:22,389
that me and she's like you know what I

1543
01:18:27,689 --> 01:18:24,340
have to get my mother I'm sorry I have

1544
01:18:30,299 --> 01:18:27,699
to get my mother you're too powerful and

1545
01:18:33,540 --> 01:18:30,309
I was like what what are you talking

1546
01:18:37,310 --> 01:18:33,550
about and she goes no I I can't read you

1547
01:18:40,500 --> 01:18:37,320
so her mother comes in and she's like

1548
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:40,510
you know some energies don't work well

1549
01:18:45,810 --> 01:18:42,610
with others and I said I get I fully get

1550
01:18:47,850 --> 01:18:45,820
it and she goes oh now I see why she

1551
01:18:51,919 --> 01:18:47,860
goes you're a goddess

1552
01:18:55,770 --> 01:18:51,929
and I'm like oh okay good

1553
01:18:58,939 --> 01:18:55,780
thank you she goes you you have a lot of

1554
01:19:01,589 --> 01:18:58,949
power you you your magic is very strong

1555
01:19:05,489 --> 01:19:01,599
and I said okay and she goes and you

1556
01:19:08,909 --> 01:19:05,499
also have the gift of sight and I'm like

1557
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:08,919
yeah I know and she's like so why are

1558
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:11,050
you here I'm like because I wanted to

1559
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:13,209
see you you know if somebody else could

1560
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:17,050
actually see this and she was like she's

1561
01:19:27,509 --> 01:19:24,130
like very funny but um yeah it was it's

1562
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:27,519
always been there and often times when I

1563
01:19:34,379 --> 01:19:32,169
walk and I love cemeteries especially

1564
01:19:37,709 --> 01:19:34,389
but I'll always catch out of the corner

1565
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:37,719
of my eye the spirit that wants to be

1566
01:19:48,089 --> 01:19:44,650
heard or to tell their story and I'll

1567
01:19:51,299 --> 01:19:48,099
allow them to talk to me but a lot of

1568
01:19:55,649 --> 01:19:51,309
times my head gets overwhelmed and I get

1569
01:19:58,919 --> 01:19:55,659
very bad headaches from it and that's

1570
01:20:02,669 --> 01:19:58,929
just the the problem of of having that

1571
01:20:05,699 --> 01:20:02,679
and so I'll just write stuff down and

1572
01:20:09,299 --> 01:20:05,709
then later find out about it and say oh

1573
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:09,309
wow this is what it was about okay now

1574
01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:14,050
it makes sense so that happens quite a

1575
01:20:22,379 --> 01:20:18,880
bit well what what is sure your um what

1576
01:20:25,879 --> 01:20:22,389
am I trying to say a cosmology I mean do

1577
01:20:30,359 --> 01:20:25,889
you see that we exist in parallel

1578
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:30,369
universes I mean are these our deities

1579
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:33,520
on Mount Olympus are they on the same

1580
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:35,530
realm as we are or are they in a higher

1581
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:41,370
dimension or well uh I would say it's

1582
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:45,450
it's a combination of it because they're

1583
01:20:51,410 --> 01:20:48,010
there first of all if you go to Mount

1584
01:20:54,890 --> 01:20:51,420
Olympus today they're not there I mean

1585
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:54,900
physically they're not going to be there

1586
01:21:00,750 --> 01:20:58,960
there's a there are several places that

1587
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:00,760
are thought to be bound Olympus so we're

1588
01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:02,770
not even sure we when I would go to the

1589
01:21:09,870 --> 01:21:06,880
same one okay well when I was in Greece

1590
01:21:13,410 --> 01:21:09,880
and I went to Mount Olympus that they

1591
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:13,420
said yeah you know you don't see the

1592
01:21:21,780 --> 01:21:16,890
gods there but if you go to their Oracle

1593
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:21,790
there is a transcendent effect that

1594
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:25,120
happens to you that if you know you're

1595
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:28,510
susceptible for it will come overcome

1596
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:31,840
you and you start to feel them so I

1597
01:21:41,790 --> 01:21:35,280
guess that would be another form of

1598
01:21:44,220 --> 01:21:41,800
dimension or state of being because I've

1599
01:21:49,110 --> 01:21:44,230
picked up a lot of times when I went to

1600
01:21:51,930 --> 01:21:49,120
Oracle's I'll pick up the sense of the

1601
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:51,940
God that's supposed to be there and hear

1602
01:22:03,540 --> 01:21:56,970
what they want me to hear and that and

1603
01:22:06,330 --> 01:22:03,550
also translate a message so we did go in

1604
01:22:06,900 --> 01:22:06,340
search of the Oracle of Delphi that's

1605
01:22:12,210 --> 01:22:06,910
correct

1606
01:22:14,190 --> 01:22:12,220
Apollo yeah that way that was quite a

1607
01:22:18,060 --> 01:22:14,200
that was quite a hike I don't know if

1608
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:18,070
I'd be able to do that that well yeah

1609
01:22:28,710 --> 01:22:24,400
yeah people actually I guess stood in

1610
01:22:33,480 --> 01:22:28,720
line going back more than a mile or so

1611
01:22:36,030 --> 01:22:33,490
and and kind of had a walkway that was a

1612
01:22:39,540 --> 01:22:36,040
section off the cobblestones and then

1613
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:39,550
finally they got to the where the Oracle

1614
01:22:44,340 --> 01:22:41,530
was down I guess in the crevice or

1615
01:22:47,250 --> 01:22:44,350
something sniffing are sniffing her

1616
01:22:49,740 --> 01:22:47,260
vapor the vapors right yeah

1617
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:49,750
which now they believe is poison so

1618
01:22:55,320 --> 01:22:51,970
that's why they think that she had

1619
01:22:57,540 --> 01:22:55,330
hallucinations and stuff but often times

1620
01:23:02,700 --> 01:22:57,550
you have to have an altered state in

1621
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:02,710
order to be more open to receiving the

1622
01:23:09,150 --> 01:23:05,410
the gods or the information that they

1623
01:23:11,190 --> 01:23:09,160
want you to have so actually there was

1624
01:23:13,170 --> 01:23:11,200
there was more than what people think of

1625
01:23:16,410 --> 01:23:13,180
the Oracle of Delphi is just being one

1626
01:23:19,850 --> 01:23:16,420
Oracle but nothing there there were a

1627
01:23:30,060 --> 01:23:19,860
few yeah there and as she said on a

1628
01:23:32,490 --> 01:23:30,070
pedestal of some tripod yes I am Greek I

1629
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:32,500
have come down I have come down from

1630
01:23:41,660 --> 01:23:34,930
Mount Olympus to mingle with all of you

1631
01:23:44,690 --> 01:23:41,670
I mean mm-hmm

1632
01:23:49,500 --> 01:23:44,700
you you you've kind of just come and

1633
01:23:55,380 --> 01:23:49,510
come forth from the shadows as far as

1634
01:23:57,390 --> 01:23:55,390
this a work a public work goes that I I

1635
01:23:59,160 --> 01:23:57,400
believe right I mean or at least you're

1636
01:24:03,420 --> 01:23:59,170
you're you're giving a little bit more

1637
01:24:06,510 --> 01:24:03,430
more attention to the to the the subject

1638
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,520
and in putting yourself out there what

1639
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:08,560
what are what are your intentions I mean

1640
01:24:14,700 --> 01:24:11,290
what do you hope to convey and who do

1641
01:24:19,950 --> 01:24:14,710
you want to convey it to well mainly

1642
01:24:24,150 --> 01:24:19,960
it's just whomever needs anything so for

1643
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:24,160
example my friends often will come to me

1644
01:24:32,220 --> 01:24:26,410
and say hey do a reading for me or hey

1645
01:24:36,030 --> 01:24:32,230
do this and I'm I'm glad to do it but on

1646
01:24:39,420 --> 01:24:36,040
the larger scale to be out there I saw

1647
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:39,430
my jewelry and and have that reaching

1648
01:24:45,420 --> 01:24:42,850
people to help their lives to help them

1649
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:45,430
with what their goals are and they're

1650
01:24:54,330 --> 01:24:51,250
there so crafting and you know if I'm at

1651
01:24:58,290 --> 01:24:54,340
a pop-up shop I'm glad to do a reading

1652
01:25:00,690 --> 01:24:58,300
for somebody then too and I never

1653
01:25:02,340 --> 01:25:00,700
disappoint people who are always

1654
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:02,350
I can't believe it you're - you're too

1655
01:25:10,140 --> 01:25:05,890
accurate and the thing is I was always

1656
01:25:12,500 --> 01:25:10,150
very scared of it and when I was younger

1657
01:25:16,290 --> 01:25:12,510
I thought it was really cool at the time

1658
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:16,300
but then I was called a freak I was

1659
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:19,570
called all kinds of things and so I

1660
01:25:23,580 --> 01:25:21,250
didn't talk about it I didn't want

1661
01:25:26,010 --> 01:25:23,590
people knowing about it but I would know

1662
01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:26,020
things that other people didn't know and

1663
01:25:32,100 --> 01:25:28,090
it was like how could I be quiet about

1664
01:25:34,380 --> 01:25:32,110
this and now you know hey I'm a lot

1665
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:34,390
older now and much more confident in

1666
01:25:39,150 --> 01:25:37,330
myself and I figured you know what if I

1667
01:25:42,480 --> 01:25:39,160
could help people and they want

1668
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:42,490
information or if they want a reading or

1669
01:25:47,130 --> 01:25:44,410
if they want to know something they can

1670
01:25:51,090 --> 01:25:47,140
come to me and I'll help them guide them

1671
01:25:54,330 --> 01:25:51,100
as much as I can but um be prepared that

1672
01:25:58,500 --> 01:25:54,340
a lot of it is going to be very very

1673
01:26:00,930 --> 01:25:58,510
freaky because I know things and even

1674
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:00,940
people I've known for many years will

1675
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:04,690
say oh my god nobody knew that not even

1676
01:26:11,220 --> 01:26:07,810
you how did you know that

1677
01:26:16,740 --> 01:26:11,230
for example I'm sure it Tim you know you

1678
01:26:19,650 --> 01:26:16,750
know Flo I read her and I was I was

1679
01:26:23,010 --> 01:26:19,660
naming all of her aunts and uncles in

1680
01:26:25,860 --> 01:26:23,020
France and she's like how the hell do

1681
01:26:28,620 --> 01:26:25,870
you know their names and I'm like I

1682
01:26:32,430 --> 01:26:28,630
don't know that I'm getting their name

1683
01:26:35,220 --> 01:26:32,440
and I said and your middle name is from

1684
01:26:39,750 --> 01:26:35,230
that and she goes oh my god nobody knows

1685
01:26:42,270 --> 01:26:39,760
that and I'm like okay and she goes stop

1686
01:26:46,770 --> 01:26:42,280
it you're freaking me out and usually

1687
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:46,780
that's the reaction I get so I kind of

1688
01:26:52,460 --> 01:26:49,810
always shied away from it but now it's

1689
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:52,470
like maybe there's something to be said

1690
01:26:58,620 --> 01:26:55,330
maybe they're so like if I could help

1691
01:27:02,730 --> 01:26:58,630
people to find closure to find happiness

1692
01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:02,740
to find a path to find their way instead

1693
01:27:08,190 --> 01:27:05,230
of just like oh yeah you know I could

1694
01:27:11,220 --> 01:27:08,200
name all your uncles and aunts No how

1695
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:11,230
about finding the path finding a way

1696
01:27:15,770 --> 01:27:13,810
where do you want to go and then

1697
01:27:19,050 --> 01:27:15,780
I could tell you because I'm channeling

1698
01:27:22,380 --> 01:27:19,060
right now and I could see the path for

1699
01:27:25,260 --> 01:27:22,390
you a lot of times people don't believe

1700
01:27:29,130 --> 01:27:25,270
so I have to kind of prove it by saying

1701
01:27:32,190 --> 01:27:29,140
all of this stuff beforehand and it's

1702
01:27:34,770 --> 01:27:32,200
like by that time I'm like I'm tired and

1703
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:34,780
so it's like if I could get past that

1704
01:27:39,870 --> 01:27:37,810
and say okay now do you believe me okay

1705
01:27:43,470 --> 01:27:39,880
now let me tell you what you really need

1706
01:27:47,820 --> 01:27:43,480
to do now and then I'm able to get them

1707
01:27:52,430 --> 01:27:47,830
back on a path and Melissa one of my

1708
01:27:55,530 --> 01:27:52,440
friends I had done her reading and she

1709
01:27:58,380 --> 01:27:55,540
she asked me you know wouldn't sue for

1710
01:28:03,420 --> 01:27:58,390
me I say you had an interview downtown

1711
01:28:04,620 --> 01:28:03,430
she goes yeah I said take the job it's

1712
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:04,630
not gonna be somewhere where you're

1713
01:28:08,100 --> 01:28:06,130
gonna stay for a while but you'll make

1714
01:28:13,680 --> 01:28:08,110
money and then you're gonna find another

1715
01:28:16,260 --> 01:28:13,690
job and she took it and she took it and

1716
01:28:19,740 --> 01:28:16,270
she found the job afterwards so it's

1717
01:28:24,690 --> 01:28:19,750
like it's helping people to move on a

1718
01:28:28,440 --> 01:28:24,700
path well now you mentioned that you use

1719
01:28:30,990 --> 01:28:28,450
them well I guess Talisman's and an

1720
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:31,000
ambulance and different kind of jewelry

1721
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:36,250
you try to correlate this rather may

1722
01:28:43,680 --> 01:28:39,730
know something where I try to correlate

1723
01:28:46,050 --> 01:28:43,690
a person with a particular piece of

1724
01:28:49,740 --> 01:28:46,060
jewelry I mean does it kind of like jump

1725
01:28:52,170 --> 01:28:49,750
out you know at you and say this is

1726
01:28:58,050 --> 01:28:52,180
where a butter this is for Alice or Jane

1727
01:29:01,250 --> 01:28:58,060
yeah yeah because I read chakras so if I

1728
01:29:07,500 --> 01:29:01,260
noticed that one of your one of the

1729
01:29:09,780 --> 01:29:07,510
goals you want and your chakras out okay

1730
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:09,790
I'll mix those two stones together to

1731
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:14,890
help you balance it better so for

1732
01:29:26,220 --> 01:29:21,810
example I made somebody an amulet

1733
01:29:28,550 --> 01:29:26,230
necklace that was they wanted love but

1734
01:29:32,550 --> 01:29:28,560
they also wanted to have

1735
01:29:35,070 --> 01:29:32,560
some kind of balance of power like some

1736
01:29:36,510 --> 01:29:35,080
kind of feeling of self power I said

1737
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:36,520
well that's because your sacral is out

1738
01:29:40,140 --> 01:29:39,370
of out of order so I put Garnett there

1739
01:29:42,689 --> 01:29:40,150
with that

1740
01:29:47,400 --> 01:29:42,699
so the Garnett and the rose quartz

1741
01:29:51,510 --> 01:29:47,410
together will vibrate a certain element

1742
01:29:54,240 --> 01:29:51,520
for the person specific for them well

1743
01:29:59,580 --> 01:29:54,250
that it's you know so that it's for them

1744
01:30:04,050 --> 01:29:59,590
and I use a copper wiring spiral to help

1745
01:30:08,669 --> 01:30:04,060
with the conical generation of the the

1746
01:30:12,689 --> 01:30:08,679
energy I just did a a book in fact which

1747
01:30:18,120 --> 01:30:12,699
I gave you a copy of the other day about

1748
01:30:20,850 --> 01:30:18,130
my friend the late while al Martha White

1749
01:30:23,340 --> 01:30:20,860
Witch of New York and she now her

1750
01:30:24,780 --> 01:30:23,350
favorite thing was Annie and your

1751
01:30:28,260 --> 01:30:24,790
daughter has a green streak in her hair

1752
01:30:30,330 --> 01:30:28,270
exactly like water very very synchronous

1753
01:30:33,959 --> 01:30:30,340
they got very very very very strange

1754
01:30:37,530 --> 01:30:33,969
very bizarre but now while he thought

1755
01:30:41,010 --> 01:30:37,540
that there was a significance with with

1756
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:41,020
silver jewelry she had a great unity for

1757
01:30:48,380 --> 01:30:43,210
silver because she thought it aligned

1758
01:30:52,350 --> 01:30:48,390
with the the goddess Diane mm-hm

1759
01:30:58,669 --> 01:30:52,360
that was her yeah what the moon goddess

1760
01:31:04,620 --> 01:30:58,679
right mm-hmm yeah that's a very true

1761
01:31:06,209 --> 01:31:04,630
mm-hmm and and I think yeah which is I

1762
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:06,219
don't know what you want I have another

1763
01:31:12,360 --> 01:31:09,250
name for people who who practice the the

1764
01:31:17,090 --> 01:31:12,370
craft you know when you say it a craft

1765
01:31:19,140 --> 01:31:17,100
there are all all forms of you know

1766
01:31:25,700 --> 01:31:19,150
witchcraft I mean like you talk about

1767
01:31:30,510 --> 01:31:25,710
garden Aryan and and some of the other

1768
01:31:32,310 --> 01:31:30,520
groups that are active today paganism I

1769
01:31:35,100 --> 01:31:32,320
mean I guess that's what kind of what

1770
01:31:38,010 --> 01:31:35,110
we're talking about I don't know exactly

1771
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:38,020
what the definition for paganism is but

1772
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:41,330
I guess is anything that's not you know

1773
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:46,490
Christian and then and in concept so

1774
01:31:54,370 --> 01:31:48,650
what is your what is your next step

1775
01:31:59,050 --> 01:31:54,380
then have how do people get to you are

1776
01:32:05,920 --> 01:31:59,060
you doing any shows or okay well I have

1777
01:32:13,090 --> 01:32:05,930
a website on Etsy and it's night which

1778
01:32:15,610 --> 01:32:13,100
crap and why te which crap and they

1779
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:15,620
could find that the jewelry there and if

1780
01:32:20,020 --> 01:32:17,330
they don't see something that that

1781
01:32:23,200 --> 01:32:20,030
strikes them I will always be glad to

1782
01:32:29,230 --> 01:32:23,210
make something for them I do a lot of

1783
01:32:32,410 --> 01:32:29,240
pop-up shops mainly it was what does it

1784
01:32:35,860 --> 01:32:32,420
pop-up shop I'm not familiar with the

1785
01:32:40,750 --> 01:32:35,870
the term okay so it's a couple of hours

1786
01:32:43,570 --> 01:32:40,760
I pop up in a place and I saw my jewelry

1787
01:32:48,220 --> 01:32:43,580
I do readings and usually I'll announce

1788
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:48,230
it through social media that I'll be at

1789
01:32:58,300 --> 01:32:55,370
a location and to come but my on 8th

1790
01:33:01,960 --> 01:32:58,310
Avenue between 28th and 29th Street I

1791
01:33:06,490 --> 01:33:01,970
will be there on Saturday night starting

1792
01:33:09,700 --> 01:33:06,500
in March and so I'll be able to do

1793
01:33:12,490 --> 01:33:09,710
readings and my jewelry will be there

1794
01:33:15,430 --> 01:33:12,500
for sale as well as I'll take orders

1795
01:33:17,110 --> 01:33:15,440
even if people would want their own if

1796
01:33:20,350 --> 01:33:17,120
they don't want the ones that are there

1797
01:33:23,500 --> 01:33:20,360
I mean I'm very glad to to craft

1798
01:33:28,990 --> 01:33:23,510
something for somebody a spell if they

1799
01:33:33,870 --> 01:33:29,000
want one and I do also satchels if they

1800
01:33:37,780 --> 01:33:33,880
need medicine for themselves so I do a

1801
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:37,790
wide variety of different things so you

1802
01:33:48,750 --> 01:33:42,770
can come find me there and what's the

1803
01:33:54,610 --> 01:33:48,760
address there again it's 372 8th Avenue

1804
01:33:57,770 --> 01:33:54,620
mm-hmm and as it a a store or it's a bar

1805
01:33:59,630 --> 01:33:57,780
I've been in there sure yeah and you got

1806
01:34:02,300 --> 01:33:59,640
throwing a little music even from time

1807
01:34:05,210 --> 01:34:02,310
to time that's right I'm gonna be having

1808
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:05,220
some bands there and I'll have my table

1809
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:10,080
set up and well of course yeah if you

1810
01:34:15,530 --> 01:34:13,410
need me I'm there and all well I'm

1811
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:15,540
looking I'm looking and when is your

1812
01:34:23,810 --> 01:34:19,890
first evening we're hoping to have it in

1813
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:23,820
March in the mmm towards the middle of

1814
01:34:31,340 --> 01:34:28,650
March well I guess I'll tell you and

1815
01:34:31,970 --> 01:34:31,350
then you could tell everybody yeah well

1816
01:34:37,610 --> 01:34:31,980
absolutely

1817
01:34:39,170 --> 01:34:37,620
with notifications well I know we're

1818
01:34:41,810 --> 01:34:39,180
reaching Tim aren't we getting close to

1819
01:34:44,090 --> 01:34:41,820
the midnight hour here yep we're at the

1820
01:34:46,090 --> 01:34:44,100
one coming up on the one minute mark to

1821
01:34:50,870 --> 01:34:46,100
the end of the show one minute right now

1822
01:34:53,930 --> 01:34:50,880
and we we didn't even get a chance to

1823
01:34:57,050 --> 01:34:53,940
talk about familiars our favorite one

1824
01:35:01,190 --> 01:34:57,060
being Jeff the talking Mongoose the

1825
01:35:04,580 --> 01:35:01,200
eighth wonder of the world there's a

1826
01:35:07,220 --> 01:35:04,590
plug there for our latest there one of

1827
01:35:10,090 --> 01:35:07,230
our latest books and Timmy did a great

1828
01:35:13,310 --> 01:35:10,100
job on that you and the late Harry price

1829
01:35:17,810 --> 01:35:13,320
right and and of course your book about

1830
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:17,820
the late great Walia mark and and and

1831
01:35:24,820 --> 01:35:20,850
David Bowie and Mark Boland and Freddie

1832
01:35:28,070 --> 01:35:24,830
Prinze senior and Juan bode and

1833
01:35:30,260 --> 01:35:28,080
President Eisenhower though yeah that's

1834
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:30,270
right all right well thank you sir see

1835
01:35:36,650 --> 01:35:32,370
thank you Oh Lewis proud we gotta shut

1836
01:35:42,350 --> 01:35:36,660
er down from a night Tim so good night

1837
01:35:45,740 --> 01:35:42,360
that Peter and good night to whoever you

1838
01:35:52,260 --> 01:35:48,690
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1839
01:35:55,860 --> 01:35:52,270
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1840
01:35:58,740 --> 01:35:55,870
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1841
01:36:01,320 --> 01:35:58,750
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1842
01:36:05,129 --> 01:36:01,330
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1843
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:05,139
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1844
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:07,650
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1845
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1846
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1847
01:36:19,230 --> 01:36:15,910
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1848
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1849
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1850
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